Yes. REL drops for reserve days are the same as RES drops on a RES line.

And in a few months, if we keep REL lines, we will have no drops on a REL line for reserve days. That was what I meant; opposed to the idea you can Santa Claus your REL line and ask for whatever you want etc

You can ask for whatever you want. I also bid for lines that I probably won’t get. I’m not under the impression that just because I ask I’m owed. You can’t get what you don’t ask for.

Not even the one time a year?

That would be a mandatory float vacation request, not a drop per se but yes you will still be able to do that

Really? Well let’s see...

Let’s say there is a fictitious captain in DFW...lets call him Captain Crunch. Captain Crunch has been a captain there for...um let’s say 5 years. Okay Captain Crunch is starting his 4 day pairing let’s listen in.... “Hey FO Skydrol my name is Captain Crunch nice to meet you... ....so you live here or do you commute?” (Commonly the second thing the two crew members ask each other when they are starting a paring together and break up the awkward silence as they are going about their cockpit routines)

Okay let’s suppose that Captain Crunch is done with his 4 day pairing...like most other captains he probably had his schedule modified a bit a probably won’t fly with that same FO again for months or even years. So at this rate we could assume that captain crunch had flown with about 50 different guys within the last year. Did I mention that he had been a Captain here for 5 years?? Sure some guys like FO Skydrol has moved on and upgraded and some guys like FO Skidmarks has moved on to places like Delta, but Captain Crunch could probably go down the entire list of FO’s he has flown with (or talked to in passing) and tell you if they live in DFW or commute from Alaska, Japan or maybe even Orlando. And I’m willing to bet that Captin Crunch isn’t the only one.... just my theory anyways.

Not entirely accurate. This month is a perfect example for me. I requested one block of R days, min 4 days off between pairings, and a specific pairing and was awarded everything I asked for. I am not saying this is the norm, but to say it doesn't happen is ingenuous. Straight from DT, all relief line requests are considered in seniority order. I usually request min R days and specific R periods. So far, I haven't been too unhappy with what I've been awarded. I am hoping for that month where they forget to award me anything on my relief line. It would be nice to have a 30 day paid vacation.

How I was told to put in requests for REL lines and has seemed to work. And, as others have noted, you can drop reserve days.

Is it possible to bid reserve and last out, so you never fly when you get senior, or do they work all the reserves like Southwest does?

Depends on the month the base and seat. The answer is yes

It is assigned by reserve days remaining to match the trip length, first day of trip must be legal for your reserve period, and then by junior to senior. The old contract they assigned it by whoever has the least block time. The senior guys love that change.

Also they look at who put themselves on "Call First"

Yup...it's the way it always should've been. It's the only way seniority is honored on reserve.

Can someone please tell me the DOH for the most junior line-holder at each base? Thank you!

Does that decide whether or not to apply to Spirit? Plan 6-12 months of reserve for all the bases.

No he just wants to know for planning purposes I’m sure.

This is such a moving number it’s hard to post. If you were a new hire in class today the numbers may be completely different when you finally hit the line. I’d plan for 12 months and most likely it will be less than that.


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Thank you for the response. I appreciate it.

I held a line this month, back on rsv for November. ORD, FEB 26th class


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ORD was kind of an anomaly for this NOV with only 59 hard lines (~140 pilots per seat). I heard they ran a new pairing optimizer for ORD to test it out for November which ended up creating less lines but higher time trips. Word was it should be back to normal in December but who knows.


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They must’ve done the same for DFW. ~160 pilots/seat, 67 lines.

Pay related
 

Hi guys,

Hope you are all doing well at Spirit. Can someone chime in & tell me how long it would realistically take to make 100k/yr at Spirit? Thank you.

Jet

Not to be a jerk but you literally can look at the spirit profile on this website and figure it out yourself like a big boy. But since you can’t, probably second year if you are no longer on reserve and work above min guarantee.

Make 100k your first year by selling steak knives.

And credit cards.

Second year pay is ~$109 3/1/19 after A321 Override so I'd say you'll be about there by then.

Live in base, bid res and go get a second job! I've been working 3 to 6 days a month since July. This month 3 days total.

After your 1 year anniversary at Spirit.

If you make 104.42/ hr as a 2 year FO and can fly at least 80 hours a month X 12 months= a little over 100K

Training pay/year one
 

I am getting conflicting information regarding training pay. Is it still around $1,000/month plus $750/month per diem? If so, is it true that the maximum time that you can be on training pay is 90 days?

The other thing I am trying to figure out is if the training pay is only 1,000/month, when does year 2 pay start? On the anniversary of starting class, or the anniversary of training completion? Thanks. Trying to figure out the financial details.

Anniversary of starting class. I think training pay lasts until either you compete OE or someone junior to you does.


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No idea who started this myth. Training pay ends when you, and only you, finish OE

You guys are ridiculous. Read the contract

CONTRACT says

New Hire Training Pay

During initial new hire training and prior to release to the line, the pilot shall receive a monthly salary of $1,000 and monthly expenses of $750 prorated on a daily basis for a par-tial month. If, “through no fault of his own,” a pilot does not finish initial new hire training or is not released to the line within 90 days of his date of hire, he will be paid in accor-dance with the provisions of Section 4.A and per diem as per Section 5.B. The term “through no fault of the pilot's own” shall not include actions by the pilots such as: “No showing” for training events, “failures” that elongate the process, ad-ditional training above the normal curricula, etc.


No need to speculate. We have a contract. Read the damn thing.

Nothing really conflicting about it: training pays crappy and almost an insult to a pilot moving onto an Airbus and a "major" airline.

It's basically like having a training contract without saying the you have one. Or designed especially for people with no financial need nor responsibility for 90 days. It's like saying "move back with your parents" or "go get a credit card debt" :)

How about the guys that paid $8k+ for a 737 type just to interview? The union feel that no resources should be spent on the training scam, I mean new hire pay!! I wouldn't apply under those pay rates today.

I heard it was when a flight attendant 50 numbers junior to you finishes OE.

That is only "in base", system wide it's 100 FAs. (FAM page 3-15)

I will be starting class in early 2019 and was wondering if anyone can tell me currently how long it takes to get long call reserve in ACY? I understand this will change. I was also curious if there is a way for me to see how the pay rates increase over time with the new contract as I can only see what is posted on this website. I will not be done with IOE before March 2019.

2 LCR RES lines for ACY for NOV. DOH for pilots are: 10/2017 and 01/2017. So 13 months.

You will get a copy of the contract im sure after you start. Interesting to take a job without actually seeing the full pay package and contract you will be working under, but that's not my concern.

For now, just know you will be getting hired at the training pay of $1000 a month and $750 per diem, and as of March 1 you will be at first year DOS2 of $57.07/hr

Thanks for the info.