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Ducttape 10-25-2018 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 2697791)
Frontier guy here.

Can someone please explain the 321 override to me please? I understand it depends on the number of 21s in the fleet and that number can and will change. What is the current %override from the rates posted in the airline profiles section of this site?

Thanks.

Usually runs 2-2.25% over your hours.

Last month my A321 override was worth $5 extra an hour over my 80 hours credit and the pay was $404 extra. Month prior was more because of summer time block hours. But I usually just take my hourly rate and increase by 2% on my hourly rate and that is my effective rate with it blended, five or take.

Here is the language

The rates of pay for Airbus pilots shall be based on the ratio of total system-wide A321 block time to the sum of system-wide A319/ A320 and A321 block time (revenue and non-revenue) in the month. For example, in Septem-ber 2005, 2,400 block hours (50 percent) are flown in the A321, and 2,400 combined block hours (50 percent) are flown in the A319/A320. Therefore, all Airbus pilots shall be paid 105 percent of their rate of pay set forth in Section 3 of the Basic Agreement, regardless of which aircraft they are assigned/awarded, for all credit earned in the month. The overage shall be paid on the second paycheck in the following month, in this example, on the second paycheck in October 2005.

Aero1900 10-25-2018 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by Skypilotsv1984 (Post 2697796)
It varies slightly month to month and is published in the bid pack each month. It adds about $2/hr to the rates or gives you an extra hour or two of credit each month, however you want to look at it.

Thank you. That's what I thought but had heard the override was more

symbian simian 10-25-2018 08:36 PM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 2697867)
Thank you. That's what I thought but had heard the override was more

It is, kinda. The override is 10%. It is paid out pro-rated based on company wide block hours for the previous month, not your individual block on the 321. Last month, 319+320 was 30K hours, 321 was 10K hours, so 321 was 25% of flying, so the rate paid out was 2.5%.

Tranquility 10-26-2018 08:03 AM

Additionally, we’ve received our last 321 on our current order book. So the ~2% will be more diluted as we take more deliveries of 320’s....

Flightcap 10-26-2018 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by Tranquility (Post 2698060)
Additionally, we’ve received our last 321 on our current order book. So the ~2% will be more diluted as we take more deliveries of 320’s....

Should come out roughly even with the ALPA dues drop, eh?

Qotsaautopilot 10-26-2018 10:02 PM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 2697867)
Thank you. That's what I thought but had heard the override was more

Think of it this way in normal override terms. The override is 10% in the contract. If you credit 80hrs in October and 20 of those hours were 321 flying, you would get a 10% override on only those 20 hours. That money workes out to a 2.5% increase on your entire month.

In Spirit terms we just take company wide airbus block hours instead of each single pilot. Whatever portion of the total block hours is 321 gets a 10% override. So if 25% of the Airbus block hours is 321 then that 25% of the flying gets a 10% override. That’s a 2.5% increase on all of the flying. So we take that 2.5% and apply it to every hour of credit each pilot has for the month whether it’s 321 or not.

As mentioned before as we take more 320s and the ratio of 321s goes down so will the override. Just as if it were another airline and they grew the 320 fleet and not the 321s at the same pace it would be less likely you’d fly 321 and therefore your monthly override money would be reduced. The override stays in place (10%) you just see it less often and get less of it.

Point being- the override is 10%. We just spread it around equally to the pilot group.

WhiteMorpheus 11-07-2018 04:12 AM

Sounds like travel benefits are so-so.

Are the ZED agreements Spirit has mostly Low, Medium, or High cost?

djslappy 11-07-2018 06:40 AM

Profit share?
 
Is there a profit share? I haven't seen it discussed at all.

Deathwish 11-07-2018 06:41 AM


Originally Posted by WhiteMorpheus (Post 2704244)
Sounds like travel benefits are so-so.

Are the ZED agreements Spirit has mostly Low, Medium, or High cost?

Typical fares for a some domestic and international are:

Hawaiian $60
Southwest $40
Frontier $30
Virgin Atlantic $100
Lufthansa $100
Alitalia $100

IWalkJun12 11-07-2018 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by djslappy (Post 2704304)
Is there a profit share? I haven't seen it discussed at all.

Oh boy, you just started a $hit storm. Enjoy the next 22 pages.


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