You’re not wrong though, every month since about June, I’ve heard “next month it will pick up.” I don’t believe it esp with 4 upgrades and no new airplane orders....


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You realize that even without orders we have 12 planes arriving between today and March 31st right? Not to mention by end of 2021 we will have 55 more planes than we do today.

Will a new hire today upgrade in 3 years? absolutely not without an order. But will 4 upgrades a month remain for the next 3 years? absolutely not.

We need to average around 10 upgrades a month for the next 3 years just to staff what's coming. And that's assuming 7 captains per plane for staffing (we currently run around 9 and with pbs we will be somewhere between 7-8 captains per frame)

Just about everyone I fly with seems to forget this. They all think we have no more planes coming on property for some reason.

Apply and find out. Before the contract, someone got hired by NK with 6.9 hours in the previous 5 years. Now, who knows. But put your best foot forward and see.

Pay attention to the staffing levels. We are fat everywhere. Go look at the lines. Notice all the aircraft being parked?

Aircraft being parked? LOL

As for lines, what do you mean, lines have been net increasing. Sure DFW/ORD suffered a loss but guess what, DTW/LAS/FLL gained more flying than DFW/ORD lost for november.


Yes we are very fat, on the FO side only. Captain side is far from fat. the grid is still a mish mash of red green with hardly any open time out there. So I will agree that the captain side is rightly staffed, not fat. Fat would mean a full green grid like say... DTW FO. Literally 3 red days for all of november.

Last I checked, DTW CA has only 3 red days. Definitely been fat on the CA side in DTW. Don’t know about others.

LAS is far from fat, DTW just seems to be fat all around it seems

DFW is fat on the CA side. Every day is green on the CA side, some with 45 reserves a day, only exception is Thanksgiving.

We dont have any open time because we are heavy on pilots, so the company creates more REL lines for those pilots, then the open time for IOT is dropped on those REL lines, along with RES days; hence why we dont have open time and why we have so many green days.

ORD is chunky on the CA side. Last I checked the whole grid was green (by a wide margin), including Thanksgiving.