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Old 06-16-2019 | 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by beverage
What leads you to believe Spirit would pay the same for both types? Honest question.
Contract says so
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Old 06-16-2019 | 06:00 AM
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Call it what you want. It would pay the same as our 319/320/321. If it gives me a better QOL. I’ll fly the big RJ.
Having multiple fleet types would likely dilute one’s relative seniority thereby decreasing your QOL, not improving it.
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Old 06-16-2019 | 06:03 AM
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The A220-300 is no more of a large RJ then the A319 is. Spirit could put 150 people in a A220-300 easily.
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Old 06-16-2019 | 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
Contract says so
Complete guess, but I would suspect same rates minus perhaps the 321 override.
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Old 06-16-2019 | 06:44 AM
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The A220 would pay the current pay table because it’s between 99-180 seats.


“ A pilotwill receive the following hourly rates based on status and longevity as follows for aircraft having seating capacity of 99 or more passengers but not more than 182 passengers (or not more than 190 passengers for Airbus 320), excluding the Airbus 321 (A321): “

It pays the same. There is a reason we fought to make sure pay was based on seats and not specific to type, like the company wanted.

A321 override would/should be excluded because the contract specifically mentions airbus pilots
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Old 06-16-2019 | 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Omniscient
The A220 would pay the current pay table because it’s between 99-180 seats.


“ A pilotwill receive the following hourly rates based on status and longevity as follows for aircraft having seating capacity of 99 or more passengers but not more than 182 passengers (or not more than 190 passengers for Airbus 320), excluding the Airbus 321 (A321): “

It pays the same. There is a reason we fought to make sure pay was based on seats and not specific to type, like the company wanted.

A321 override would/should be excluded because the contract specifically mentions airbus pilots
im sure they would try not to pay the 321 override to 220 pilots... but the contract says “airbus” and the 220 is an Airbus
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Old 06-16-2019 | 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Omniscient
The A220 would pay the current pay table because it’s between 99-180 seats.


“ A pilotwill receive the following hourly rates based on status and longevity as follows for aircraft having seating capacity of 99 or more passengers but not more than 182 passengers (or not more than 190 passengers for Airbus 320), excluding the Airbus 321 (A321): “

It pays the same. There is a reason we fought to make sure pay was based on seats and not specific to type, like the company wanted.

A321 override would/should be excluded because the contract specifically mentions airbus pilots
It amazes me how many dumbasses here believe we get paid by type of aircraft and not the seat capacity.

Guys that are mid level or maybe a little lower Captain will probably benefit from a new type. Lots of senior captains probably wouldn’t go, a lot of the others won’t because they are afraid of training. A new type would definitely be the junior a/c.
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Old 06-16-2019 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Why do people like the A220 so much. It’s just a bigger RJ with sidesticks.
This statement always makes me laugh. Have you seen the bigger version (CS300)? This ain’t no RJ - check out this link:

http://www.worldairroutes.com/airbalticcs300.html

Bumped into a friend of mine at Delta who just made the switch to the CSeries for a better schedule and said it was the easiest airplane he had ever flown and he has no intention on leaving it as the fleet continues to grow....

Time will tell if Spirit orders it. Would make sense to do a combo deal with Airbus for a mix of A220s and A321Neos. If it happens, it would also make sense to announce it at the Paris Air Show this week.

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Old 06-16-2019 | 08:40 AM
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If another type turns out to be the choice, I think think the biggest factor in how senior/junior it goes will be basing.

Initially they will all be flown from one, maybe two bases. Not that this is the mostly likely scenario, I doubt the many of the senior FO’s waiting in LAS or DFW will go to FLL or ACY to upgrade to a plane the precludes any chance of them picking up open time or X/Y from home. If a new type paves the way for another base (or one of the existing bases) west of the Mississippi, that opens a whole other can of worms.

Senior guys will turn their noses up at it, Mid range captains will have to decide if a fleet/base transfer is worth getting holidays off. Junior guys will benefit from large shuffling that will improve life in the near-mid term.

In the longer term, 100 of another type would probably eventually get spread around, and dual type bases will have their own anomalies, but that is a great many years off in terms of delivery dates.
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Old 06-16-2019 | 02:58 PM
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