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Super EZ E 03-15-2019 10:12 AM

PBS isn't going well. PBS was to be up and running by may bid. As of now talks have broken down and now magically the company see no value in PBS! The Company doesn't want to pay the increase we talked about!! More to come!!!

CAirBear 03-15-2019 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by Super EZ E (Post 2783015)
PBS isn't going well. PBS was to be up and running by may bid. As of now talks have broken down and now magically the company see no value in PBS! The Company doesn't want to pay the increase we talked about!! More to come!!!

Interesting. Is there a possibility that they could completely scrap PBS? Never heard of a company all of a sudden getting cold feet with PBS before like this.

putzin 03-15-2019 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by CAirBear (Post 2783038)
Interesting. Is there a possibility that they could completely scrap PBS? Never heard of a company all of a sudden getting cold feet with PBS before like this.

I'll vote to get rid of it for say....another $40 an hour and another $50k. 🤣

IwasInverted 03-15-2019 01:54 PM

I hope the nc brings in every single lie Bendo told about Pbs being necessary for the company, and all the bs economic numbers they cooked up to back it.

Qotsaautopilot 03-15-2019 02:10 PM


Originally Posted by IwasInverted (Post 2783139)
I hope the nc brings in every single lie Bendo told about Pbs being necessary for the company, and all the bs economic numbers they cooked up to back it.

We gave them almost every advantage of PBS without actually having PBS when the contract was signed a year ago

Ed Force One 03-15-2019 04:22 PM

Haha, please... the Company is going to ask for reduced hourly rates in exchange for keeping line bidding.

These pay raises, (below industry standard already) were an "incentive" in exchange for the "concession" of PBS.

Remember the line "You don't want PBS, well then what are you willing to give up to keep line bidding?"

TrojanCMH 03-15-2019 05:06 PM

I guess the whole #investintheguest thing is gone? They really think they’re going to keep their on time percentage and completion factor up when they spit in our faces like this?

The rigs and min duty period were one of the few industry standard things we got in this contract and they want to take that from us... This management never fails to amaze me in how removed from reality they can be.


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FNGFO 03-15-2019 05:11 PM

I think the fact that effeciency gains not being seen until we hit 300 tails is becoming a painful reality given the new rigs that were promised in exchange for PBS.

It sounds like management screwed up again much as they did with the original red/green system and reserve drops.

We can’t make them read the fine print.

Tranquility 03-15-2019 06:10 PM

Get ready for the TRO!! Even though, once again, the staffing issue is completely due to their ineptitude.... :rolleyes:

Qotsaautopilot 03-15-2019 08:34 PM


Originally Posted by FNGFO (Post 2783267)
I think the fact that effeciency gains not being seen until we hit 300 tails is becoming a painful reality given the new rigs that were promised in exchange for PBS.

Where did this 300 tails and PBS come from? As far as I know it was made up on here. Airlines smaller than us have PBS so I doubt it only has efficiency at 300 planes. Not to mention, airlines with multiple fleets are basically airlines within airlines and they use pbs on fleets with less than 300 tails. I’d bet every fleet at United except the 737 has less than 300


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