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Halon1211 03-15-2019 10:28 PM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2783378)
Where did this 300 tails and PBS come from? As far as I know it was made up on here. Airlines smaller than us have PBS so I doubt it only has efficiency at 300 planes. Not to mention, airlines with multiple fleets are basically airlines within airlines and they use pbs on fleets with less than 300 tails. I’d bet every fleet at United except the 737 has less than 300

I was kinda wondering the same thing.

FNGFO 03-16-2019 07:04 AM

I’ve heard in several places. It’s possible that it’s all emanating from APC, but that seems unlikely.

I’m not sure subfleets matter to PBS. It matters for seniority to those in the various fleets, but the computer is simply tasked with crewing all the tails as efficiently as possible. So perhaps you need 300 total tails worth of savings created by crew being scheduled by PBS to offset the cost of running the system.

But that’s just reaching elbow deep.

Qotsaautopilot 03-16-2019 07:25 AM

Many single fleet regionals run PBS with less than 300 planes

Heck, XJT management wanted PBS so bad and rescheduling favored management even more than ours does here as well as transition language. Even at the peak the fleet was only 274 planes. I’ve got to assume that this 300 plane rumor is complete poppycock and there are efficiencies gained. Enough to pay for the new rigs after we already gave them transition, training, rescheduling, and most rsv drops for free? That’s the question.

The rigs aren’t even earth shattering. They are slightly below industry standard even. This management just wants to keep us low tier as long as possible. I thought we made our bed and they would be satisfied for for another five years of cost savings and stall for another three in negotiations. To be playing these games only a year in to a bottom industry contract that already saves them huge is just low brow.

FNGFO 03-16-2019 08:11 AM

Never attribute to malice that which can be readily explained by stupidity.

NoCheesePlates 03-16-2019 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2783546)
Many single fleet regionals run PBS with less than 300 planes

Heck, XJT management wanted PBS so bad and rescheduling favored management even more than ours does here as well as transition language. Even at the peak the fleet was only 274 planes. I’ve got to assume that this 300 plane rumor is complete poppycock and there are efficiencies gained. Enough to pay for the new rigs after we already gave them transition, training, rescheduling, and most rsv drops for free? That’s the question.

The rigs aren’t even earth shattering. They are slightly below industry standard even. This management just wants to keep us low tier as long as possible. I thought we made our bed and they would be satisfied for for another five years of cost savings and stall for another three in negotiations. To be playing these games only a year in to a bottom industry contract that already saves them huge is just low brow.

Was this posted between bike riding and lunch with the wife or general interneting?

Qotsaautopilot 03-16-2019 11:26 AM


Originally Posted by NoCheesePlates (Post 2783601)
Was this posted between bike riding and lunch with the wife or general interneting?

Winter layovering

dfwflyboy 03-16-2019 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2783546)
Many single fleet regionals run PBS with less than 300 planes

Heck, XJT management wanted PBS so bad and rescheduling favored management even more than ours does here as well as transition language. Even at the peak the fleet was only 274 planes. I’ve got to assume that this 300 plane rumor is complete poppycock and there are efficiencies gained. Enough to pay for the new rigs after we already gave them transition, training, rescheduling, and most rsv drops for free? That’s the question.

The rigs aren’t even earth shattering. They are slightly below industry standard even. This management just wants to keep us low tier as long as possible. I thought we made our bed and they would be satisfied for for another five years of cost savings and stall for another three in negotiations. To be playing these games only a year in to a bottom industry contract that already saves them huge is just low brow.

Regionals do out and back. Hub and spoke flying. We don’t do that. We are point to point. That COULD be why spirit won’t reap the supposed efficiencies til 300 planes.

Poser765 03-16-2019 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by dfwflyboy (Post 2783748)
Regionals do out and back. Hub and spoke flying. We don’t do that. We are point to point. That COULD be why spirit won’t reap the supposed efficiencies til 300 planes.

Not all regionals do out and backs. The two regionals I worked for, at least doing delta flying, was a more “see the network sort of schedule.

FLYBOYMATTHEW 03-17-2019 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by FNGFO (Post 2783584)
Never attribute to malice that which can be readily explained by stupidity.

Never underestimate the enemy. Bendo is smarter than that. Dollars to donuts, this delayed implementation was a planned strategy, not a mistake. Imagine the additional cost savings the company will enjoy during this delay, at no cost to the company. This guy has no problem lying to our faces then doing something completely different.

Super EZ E 03-17-2019 09:42 PM


Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW (Post 2784240)
Never underestimate the enemy. Bendo is smarter than that. Dollars to donuts, this delayed implementation was a planned strategy, not a mistake. Imagine the additional cost savings the company will enjoy during this delay, at no cost to the company. This guy has no problem lying to our faces then doing something completely different.

Plain and simple no he's not. He never ran a cost model on PBS verses Line bidding with the new rigs. I asked the Union if they did and the answer was no. Funny neither side wanted to spend the time or money on this topic. Yuri told him we would save money on PBS and that was taken at face value. That's the origin of this mess.


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