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FutureMajor8 04-08-2019 03:40 PM

What interview prep are people using, if any?

FDUA 04-11-2019 06:06 AM

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Fugitive 04-11-2019 07:30 AM

Hiring Update
 
Does the company notify you of a training class 60 days out by email or phone? Can that 60 day notification time frame vary such as 75 or 30 days out? Thanks

Super EZ E 04-15-2019 04:46 AM


Originally Posted by Fugitive (Post 2800988)
Does the company notify you of a training class 60 days out by email or phone? Can that 60 day notification time frame vary such as 75 or 30 days out? Thanks

When I got hired SF called and offer the job with a class date. Take a class date and make it clear you can make a class with XXX notice. I was lucky and offered a class date then called and asked if I could make a date 2 weeks sooner. Hiring clearly slowed down but I'm being told that's going to change in a big way. We keep finding A320's to add to the fleet. We just go 2 more from WOW. Those Asian 320 NEO's are on the line.

BarrySeal 04-15-2019 05:05 AM

has the supposedly "difficult" training and only 4 sims changed ?

king10pin02 04-15-2019 05:59 AM


Originally Posted by BarrySeal (Post 2803233)
has the supposedly "difficult" training and only 4 sims changed ?

yes, 1 extra sim

Shangri La 04-15-2019 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by Fugitive (Post 2800988)
Does the company notify you of a training class 60 days out by email or phone? Can that 60 day notification time frame vary such as 75 or 30 days out? Thanks

There's currently a pool, the nearest class dates are july/august. They said they'd let us know by email 60 days from class availability, but can offer a class date up to 30 days out. Hope that helps!
Source: treading water in the pool

Halon1211 04-15-2019 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by Super EZ E (Post 2803226)
When I got hired SF called and offer the job with a class date. Take a class date and make it clear you can make a class with XXX notice. I was lucky and offered a class date then called and asked if I could make a date 2 weeks sooner. Hiring clearly slowed down but I'm being told that's going to change in a big way. We keep finding A320's to add to the fleet. We just go 2 more from WOW. Those Asian 320 NEO's are on the line.

I believe you...but just curious where you found out or read about the two planes from WOW. That’s awesome we got those 2 planes.

Flightcap 04-15-2019 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 2803496)
I believe you...but just curious where you found out or read about the two planes from WOW. That’s awesome we got those 2 planes.

Not sure where the rumor initiated. It's been floating around for a week or so now that 2 WOW planes were being painted yellow in a shop somewhere in Ireland.

Silver02ex 04-15-2019 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 2803496)
I believe you...but just curious where you found out or read about the two planes from WOW. That’s awesome we got those 2 planes.

It’s already been painted

https://www.flickr.com/photos/shanai...in/photostream

https://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-a320-4270.htm

FNGFO 04-15-2019 01:17 PM

That’s the same one people sniffed out last week. You can also find it on planespotters.net. Is there another coming? I thought a 321 or two was rumored.

2 more 320’s are destination unknown and 5 321’s are stored.

*Edit: just read the comments below the pic rumoring the second plane.

Halon1211 04-15-2019 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by Silver02ex (Post 2803524)

That’s pretty cool. Good to hear.

TrojanCMH 04-15-2019 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by FNGFO (Post 2803532)
That’s the same one people sniffed out last week. You can also find it on planespotters.net. Is there another coming? I thought a 321 or two was rumored.

2 more 320’s are destination unknown and 5 321’s are stored.

*Edit: just read the comments below the pic rumoring the second plane.

WOW's 321's have different engines. I could see us getting them but I don't think they'd add just one. If we got them it would probably be more than a handful of them to make rewriting all the books, training MX and pilots, and purchasing and storing all the spare parts worth while.

FNGFO 04-16-2019 03:23 AM


Originally Posted by TrojanCMH (Post 2803614)
WOW's 321's have different engines. I could see us getting them but I don't think they'd add just one. If we got them it would probably be more than a handful of them to make rewriting all the books, training MX and pilots, and purchasing and storing all the spare parts worth while.

So they were running IAE’s, CFM’s and Leaps all at once?

RemoveB4flght 04-16-2019 04:27 AM


Originally Posted by TrojanCMH (Post 2803614)
WOW's 321's have different engines. I could see us getting them but I don't think they'd add just one. If we got them it would probably be more than a handful of them to make rewriting all the books, training MX and pilots, and purchasing and storing all the spare parts worth while.

Most airlines lease their engines, so it doesn’t necessarily mean they are stuck with whatever is hanging off the pylons. It’s probably a whole lot easier to get them on this side of the pond, swap engines, and ship the other ones back to whomever holds the note.

Total BS 04-16-2019 04:47 AM


Originally Posted by RemoveB4flght (Post 2803774)
Most airlines lease their engines, so it doesn’t necessarily mean they are stuck with whatever is hanging off the pylons. It’s probably a whole lot easier to get them on this side of the pond, swap engines, and ship the other ones back to whomever holds the note.

I'm not motivated to dig for facts on this, maybe someone else is, but I suspect that changing CFM to IAE engines on an airframe is not a simple swap. The pylons are likely not compatible. Airbus has probably done it many times over on their test airframes, but I doubt this takes place outside of Toulouse or Hamburg.

bruhaha 04-16-2019 05:27 AM

N698NK the ex-WOW 320 has always been an IAE V2500 airplane. No engine swapping needed.

It was returned before WOW stopped flying last month but when it was returned in nov 2018 WOW was probably already in the process of shedding airframes.

TrojanCMH 04-16-2019 05:41 AM


Originally Posted by RemoveB4flght (Post 2803774)
Most airlines lease their engines, so it doesn’t necessarily mean they are stuck with whatever is hanging off the pylons. It’s probably a whole lot easier to get them on this side of the pond, swap engines, and ship the other ones back to whomever holds the note.



I don’t think it works like that. You can’t just throw on a different engine and call it good.


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Super EZ E 04-16-2019 07:03 AM

[QUOTE=TrojanCMH;2803798]I don’t think it works like that. You can’t just throw on a different engine and call it good.

It's a software change and hang the new engine. If you want to do it you can it just takes $$$$. :eek: At another Major I worked for we actually flew what's called a mix at times. One engine can produce 15,000 lbs and the other 12,000 lbs do the EPR correct and you're good to go. TC knows we can find airframes so why make a major order.

Lemon Jello 04-16-2019 07:40 AM

[QUOTE=Super EZ E;2803830]

Originally Posted by TrojanCMH (Post 2803798)
I don’t think it works like that. You can’t just throw on a different engine and call it good.

It's a software change and hang the new engine. If you want to do it you can it just takes $$$$. :eek: At another Major I worked for we actually flew what's called a mix at times. One engine can produce 15,000 lbs and the other 12,000 lbs do the EPR correct and you're good to go. TC knows we can find airframes so why make a major order.

If you're talking about the same basic engine, such as a JT8D on a 727 or a DC-9, yeah, piece of cake. Same mounting points, accessories, etc. But a CFM-56 versus a V2500? I kind of doubt it.

TrojanCMH 04-16-2019 11:38 AM

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Yes I know you can change same type of engines. I was talking about switching engine manufacturers. I was in DFW when all the NEOs were grounded and asked one of the MX guys there what it would entail swapping them to the LEAP and he said it wasn’t cost effective. Have to change all the wiring harnesses, change the engine pylons, change all the software, plus a bunch of airworthiness stuff. The planes come certified with that type of engine so it would entail getting them all certified again, not sure how in depth that would be.

People saying they flew old planes with different engines, while it does happen like the KC135 and some of the old DC-8s, those were engine kits that were made specifically for it and those kits required STCs and all the flight testing and BS that comes with getting those signed off. So no you can’t just take a CFM and swap it with an IAE unless there is a company out there that has been approved to do it and I don’t think there are any. It would be cheaper to just throw in a new section to the COM and AOM and train the pilots and mechanics on the new engines.


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TrojanCMH 04-16-2019 11:41 AM

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GrumpyCaptain 04-16-2019 11:59 AM

It’s not even so simple to swap an IAE engine with another IAE. It was either the dfw engine fail or Ord cowling unlatch event that grounded an old 319 several years ago.

Turned out the pylon was damaged and there were no pylons available from that era. Something about this older pylon was different.

I think they had to find a used one from the bone yard to get the airplane flying again.

Try swapping from lycoming to continental engines in a GA airplane and let me know how cost effective it is.

Lemon Jello 04-16-2019 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by TrojanCMH (Post 2803942)
Yes I know you can change same type of engines. I was talking about switching engine manufacturers. I was in DFW when all the NEOs were grounded and asked one of the MX guys there what it would entail swapping them to the LEAP and he said it wasn’t cost effective. Have to change all the wiring harnesses, change the engine pylons, change all the software, plus a bunch of airworthiness stuff. The planes come certified with that type of engine so it would entail getting them all certified again, not sure how in depth that would be.

People saying they flew old planes with different engines, while it does happen like the KC135 and some of the old DC-8s, those were engine kits that were made specifically for it and those kits required STCs and all the flight testing and BS that comes with getting those signed off. So no you can’t just take a CFM and swap it with an IAE unless there is a company out there that has been approved to do it and I don’t think there are any. It would be cheaper to just throw in a new section to the COM and AOM and train the pilots and mechanics on the new engines.


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My apologies, Was intending to respond to this post by Super EZ E, not yours:

It's a software change and hang the new engine. If you want to do it you can it just takes $$$$. At another Major I worked for we actually flew what's called a mix at times. One engine can produce 15,000 lbs and the other 12,000 lbs do the EPR correct and you're good to go. TC knows we can find airframes so why make a major order.

Timmay202 04-19-2019 02:17 PM

Has anybody else seen the position opening on their ICIMS site disappear, or am I just lucky? My Dashboard now states I haven't submitted for any jobs, though that's not what it said when I looked at it earlier today. Did they close the position? Nothing pops up when I search Pilot or First Officer in the Job Listings search function. Just wondering if I'm seeing an anomoly.

Super EZ E 04-19-2019 02:35 PM

The key is can we get them cheap? LOL:eek:

wornTiller 04-19-2019 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by Timmay202 (Post 2805545)
Has anybody else seen the position opening on their ICIMS site disappear, or am I just lucky? My Dashboard now states I haven't submitted for any jobs, though that's not what it said when I looked at it earlier today. Did they close the position? Nothing pops up when I search Pilot or First Officer in the Job Listings search function. Just wondering if I'm seeing an anomoly.

Dashboard - ops check good
posting - still exists, posting #2019-2212

I try not to check the ICIMS website more than 10 times per hour, but then again, I picked a bad month to stop sniffing glue.

Don't give it too much worry, multiple Spirit employees have told us the ICIMS / IT thing never fires on all cylinders. I'm sure all the applications are still submitted.

Timmay202 04-19-2019 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by wornTiller (Post 2805563)
Dashboard - ops check good
posting - still exists, posting #2019-2212

I try not to check the ICIMS website more than 10 times per hour, but then again, I picked a bad month to stop sniffing glue.

Don't give it too much worry, multiple Spirit employees have told us the ICIMS / IT thing never fires on all cylinders. I'm sure all the applications are still submitted.

Thanks for checking, I hear ya on not checking ICIMS too much...but have to admit seeing things disappear does not help reduce that urge. Fingers crossed it's actually still in the system, I guess only time will tell.

Macjet 04-20-2019 01:36 AM


Originally Posted by wornTiller (Post 2805563)
Dashboard - ops check good
posting - still exists, posting #2019-2212

I try not to check the ICIMS website more than 10 times per hour, but then again, I picked a bad month to stop sniffing glue.

Don't give it too much worry, multiple Spirit employees have told us the ICIMS / IT thing never fires on all cylinders. I'm sure all the applications are still submitted.

Nothing our IT does fires on all cylinders. Wait until you get to play with SumTotal.

Super EZ E 04-21-2019 04:25 AM

IT our weakest part of the Company and it's farmed out to the cheapest bid :eek: for sure, the support people are great and very friendly. Good news we received an email I think it was Thursday from CP and he "Claims" we are hiring 56/month starting July and running that number the rest of the year. Hopefully that will empty the pool out for you that have been waiting. Also said meet the Chiefs will start back up too. *Disclaimer*: I'll believe it when I see it. :cool:

Cefiro 04-21-2019 06:05 AM

Sounds like they’re running a class every Monday starting in July.

FNGFO 04-21-2019 11:01 AM

What? 3.5 years for early openers?

Smoothlanding 04-22-2019 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by Timmay202 (Post 2805545)
Has anybody else seen the position opening on their ICIMS site disappear, or am I just lucky? My Dashboard now states I haven't submitted for any jobs, though that's not what it said when I looked at it earlier today. Did they close the position? Nothing pops up when I search Pilot or First Officer in the Job Listings search function. Just wondering if I'm seeing an anomoly.

Mine disappeared but I reapplied yesterday, did the Gallup and got the TBNT email today stating they were moving on with more qualified candidates.. I’m at 2,515 TT and 1020 121 jet so probably the 3,000TT did me in. I’ll reapply after 6 months or upon 3,000 TT. Was planning to just update my hours but sounds like I need to reapply at 3,000 TT.

BarrySeal 04-22-2019 04:34 PM


Originally Posted by Smoothlanding (Post 2807147)
Mine disappeared but I reapplied yesterday, did the Gallup and got the TBNT email today stating they were moving on with more qualified candidates.. I’m at 2,515 TT and 1020 121 jet so probably the 3,000TT did me in. I’ll reapply after 6 months or upon 3,000 TT. Was planning to just update my hours but sounds like I need to reapply at 3,000 TT.


What is the Gallup ?


What is the "best qualified" applicant ?

king10pin02 04-22-2019 04:51 PM


Originally Posted by Smoothlanding (Post 2807147)
Mine disappeared but I reapplied yesterday, did the Gallup and got the TBNT email today stating they were moving on with more qualified candidates.. I’m at 2,515 TT and 1020 121 jet so probably the 3,000TT did me in. I’ll reapply after 6 months or upon 3,000 TT. Was planning to just update my hours but sounds like I need to reapply at 3,000 TT.

competitive is probably around 5000-6000tt and 1000-2000 Tpic, though ive seen lower times pre-contract

Omniscient 04-22-2019 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by Smoothlanding (Post 2807147)
Mine disappeared but I reapplied yesterday, did the Gallup and got the TBNT email today stating they were moving on with more qualified candidates.. I’m at 2,515 TT and 1020 121 jet so probably the 3,000TT did me in. I’ll reapply after 6 months or upon 3,000 TT. Was planning to just update my hours but sounds like I need to reapply at 3,000 TT.

Did you have a termination from a 121 regional carrier? If that is true, I can guarantee you that is the reason for the TBNT, and probably will stand as a major hurdle to overcome for a while. Best of luck, nonetheless

Bender202119 04-22-2019 07:00 PM

Anyone here interviewed after March 8th? If you did please reach out by PM

Mister 04-24-2019 01:09 PM

If you are in the hiring pool, How long have you been in it or how long were you in it before class started?

Skyhawk92 04-24-2019 03:12 PM


Originally Posted by Mister (Post 2808255)
If you are in the hiring pool, How long have you been in it or how long were you in it before class started?

I don't know once in the pool, but I heard they are interviewing now for August-September classes

skytrails 04-24-2019 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by Skyhawk92 (Post 2808308)
I don't know once in the pool, but I heard they are interviewing now for August-September classes

Had a phone interview last week and they said July/August. Guess July must have filled up.


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