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Qotsaautopilot 04-12-2019 07:38 AM

Spirit “Forgot” to pay new per diem rates
 
Is that a joke? They didn’t forget. It was deliberate! They don’t pay until someone notices. Same thing they did with our health insurance for which they still have our two years of over payments. They purposely don’t pay our hotels. They deny contractually obligated rigs. It’s how they do business. They didn’t forget!

AirbusA321Pilot 04-12-2019 07:40 AM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2801663)
Is that a joke? They didn’t forget. It was deliberate! They don’t pay until someone notices. Same thing they did with our health insurance for which they still have our two years of over payments. They purposely don’t pay our hotels. They deny contractually obligated rigs. It’s how they do business. They didn’t forget!

Agreed, it's pathetic and getting really old.

Deathwish 04-12-2019 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2801663)
Is that a joke? They didn’t forget. It was deliberate! They don’t pay until someone notices. Same thing they did with our health insurance for which they still have our two years of over payments. They purposely don’t pay our hotels. They deny contractually obligated rigs. It’s how they do business. They didn’t forget!

What ever happened with the overpayments? Did they ever make the employees whole?

flyingpuma1 04-12-2019 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2801663)
It’s how they do business. They didn’t forget!


This is unfortunately how this place is run. I have no idea why so many people drink the cool-aid here.

FNGFO 04-12-2019 10:17 AM

I think that total I was shorted was like $3.00. So they probably saved $6k with this oversight. Which is to say that the panties in a wad over this is probably not called for. It’s far more likely that someone dropped that extra penny or whatever it is when entering data than some nefarious plane to save $6k. Or $10k if it’s 2 pennies.

This place nets about $1M a day. Put it in perspective.

YourMom 04-12-2019 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by Deathwish (Post 2801675)
What ever happened with the overpayments? Did they ever make the employees whole?

No not yet. I have not seen the payment.

Excargodog 04-12-2019 10:22 AM

It is not necessary to ascribe to malice that which can be explained satisfactorily by incompetence or stupidity.

:D

putzin 04-12-2019 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2801663)
Is that a joke? They didn’t forget. It was deliberate! They don’t pay until someone notices. Same thing they did with our health insurance for which they still have our two years of over payments. They purposely don’t pay our hotels. They deny contractually obligated rigs. It’s how they do business. They didn’t forget!

And we're going to do what about it?

"Positive rate, gear up" is my guess!

Qotsaautopilot 04-12-2019 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by FNGFO (Post 2801782)
I think that total I was shorted was like $3.00. So they probably saved $6k with this oversight. Which is to say that the panties in a wad over this is probably not called for. It’s far more likely that someone dropped that extra penny or whatever it is when entering data than some nefarious plane to save $6k. Or $10k if it’s 2 pennies.

This place nets about $1M a day. Put it in perspective.

It’s the principal. It took us 6 weeks to notice. What if it had taken two years. They do it as long as they can get away with. I’ve had hotels literally tell me they won’t give me a room on short notice because spirit doesn’t pay the bills. We had to do a union audit of the healthcare to find out we were paying 7% increases when the cost of the plans werent going up 7% or more. Yet the company took our money and have corrected the mistake on our last pay check but still have our two years of overpayments. And they would’ve kept our money if we weren’t unionized and able to do our own audit. This per diem thing is no mistake.

Why don’t they want to go to expedited arbitration on this pbs issue? We can lose or gain just the same is them. The answer: they just don’t want to pay the rigs the agreed to so they want to stall and keep our money as long as possible with no consequence. But hey all the station managers got to rah rah at the C-suite dressing up as funny characters and dance on stage. “Culture”

Qotsaautopilot 04-12-2019 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by putzin (Post 2801808)
And we're going to do what about it?

"Positive rate, gear up" is my guess!

You’re right. And one of the reasons the RLA favors the company. We could grieve it if they chose not to pay and when they were forced to pay we would’ve been whole and there would be no consequence to the company.

I don’t pretend to think that other airline managements love their pilots but this management is something else in the lengths they go to save money on an already bottom CBA that affords them an industry leading cost advantage. It’s just disrespect.


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