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Flightcap 07-17-2019 05:04 AM


Originally Posted by dutchroller (Post 2854457)
Both seem a bit shady to me.


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I guess the paid bidding doesn't look that much different to me than asking a PBS guru for advice. Unless the Navblue TOS forbid allowing a third party to access your account. Which I wouldn't know because like every human being I check the box and move on with my life. :)

RemoveB4flght 07-17-2019 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by dutchroller (Post 2854330)
Is this better or worse than pilots paying PBS trainers to submit bids for them?
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That’s like saying if two athletes are in competition with each other, the one paying a personal trainer to help them workout more efficiently is cheating just as much as the one using anabolic steroids.

Omniscient 07-17-2019 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by RemoveB4flght (Post 2854705)
That’s like saying if two athletes are in competition with each other, the one paying a personal trainer to help them workout more efficiently is cheating just as much as the one using anabolic steroids.

People will try to justify their decisions no matter what, even trying to conflate things that aren’t even in the realm of being equal.

PBS bidding help and bots aren’t even close to being the same. A more accurate comparison would be Flica bots, compared to say a PBS program that allows the system to give you super seniority over everyone.

dutchroller 07-17-2019 11:32 AM


Originally Posted by Omniscient (Post 2854720)
People will try to justify their decisions no matter what, even trying to conflate things that aren’t even in the realm of being equal.



PBS bidding help and bots aren’t even close to being the same. A more accurate comparison would be Flica bots, compared to say a PBS program that allows the system to give you super seniority over everyone.



I’m not trying to justify using bots. I just think both things are a bit shady.
Hiring someone who helped create the rules to the game does give an unfair advantage. Someone who uses that level of inside knowledge (admittedly not secret knowledge) could get a schedule that their seniority might not otherwise afford.
I’d be curious to know if navblue prohibits allowing a third party to access an account. Not curious enough to dig through all the terms and conditions though.



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Xjrstreetcar 07-17-2019 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by dutchroller (Post 2854747)
I’m not trying to justify using bots. I just think both things are a bit shady.
Hiring someone who helped create the rules to the game does give an unfair advantage. Someone who uses that level of inside knowledge (admittedly not secret knowledge) could get a schedule that their seniority might not otherwise afford.
I’d be curious to know if navblue prohibits allowing a third party to access an account. Not curious enough to dig through all the terms and conditions though.



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Could be secret if they have insight to reserve stacks and coverage awards that are not public, for example.

Qotsaautopilot 07-17-2019 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by dutchroller (Post 2854747)
I’m not trying to justify using bots. I just think both things are a bit shady.
Hiring someone who helped create the rules to the game does give an unfair advantage. Someone who uses that level of inside knowledge (admittedly not secret knowledge) could get a schedule that their seniority might not otherwise afford.
I’d be curious to know if navblue prohibits allowing a third party to access an account. Not curious enough to dig through all the terms and conditions though.



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Except it’s exactly what their seniority affords.

RgrMurdock 07-17-2019 04:18 PM

Pbs trainers and the pwg are two different things. Pbs trainers do not have access to admin parameters. That being said even if you did, all that changes from run to run and the solution is not figured until well after the bid is closed.

SSlow 07-20-2019 08:13 AM

Happy bot day everyone!!

RemoveB4flght 07-20-2019 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by SSlow (Post 2856149)
Happy bot day everyone!!

Noooo fake news.

I’m sure that one single denied trip I tried swapping for at 12:00:06 was only picked up by someone at 12:00:0000000000001 because they had their wife or kid bidding for them.

Halon1211 07-20-2019 08:09 PM


Originally Posted by RemoveB4flght (Post 2856185)
Noooo fake news.

I’m sure that one single denied trip I tried swapping for at 12:00:06 was only picked up by someone at 12:00:0000000000001 because they had their wife or kid bidding for them.

Dang, that’s pretty slow...my bot can do it at
12:00:00000000000000000000000000000001



But in all seriousness maybe file an NCC? I wonder if that would help get to the bottom of this?


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