Flica BOTS when is the....
 

Company going to start going after these guys??

Same guy in DFW always getting the turns?? GMAFB!!! I’m tired of this crap!

Wouldn’t be hard to track. These guys should be fired! It’s stealing from the rest of the pilot group!

How do you steal a trip in a seniority system?

DOT........

I’ve said a million times to the union to get Flica to add a “captcha” I’m not a bot

Have you ever heard of daily open time? It’s not seniority based.

Because daily open time is not seniority base. It's first come first serve.

Are you noticing it on the FO or CA side? I seem to notice it too!

So someone signed up for Flica alerts and picks it up fastest means he’s stealing from other pilots? Not sure how that works.

I don’t think it is what you think it is. The bot people pay for a program/script that can put in multiple requests for adds and swaps in seconds. It’s not just some guy clicking around on his phone after getting a Flica alert text.


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I didn't know you could hack Flica opentime like that. IF that is indeed true and exactly what the individual is doing, then yes he should be held accountable.

You’re not “hacking” Flica opentime. The opentime is there, the bot is basically just a computer program that scans the available opentime and puts in dozens of requests simultaneously based on what you told the program you want. Same way FCView can log into your Flica account and present your schedule in an app on your phone, the app isn’t hacking your schedule. The bots log into your account, just like FCView, and instead search through the available open time and put in requests much quicker than any human could possible do it.


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The issue is most apparent when Daily time for the next month opens. It opened today at 12 EST for May, and is first come first served, not seniority based. I will be sitting in the waiting room, I have nothing else running but still, it will load so slow that it will take me around a minute per request. I look at the awards, and there is people who were able to pick up all three of the high block trips I bid on and I got none. There have been emails from both the union and management about it, so I assume it is a real thing.

Do you even work here? Ryan sent out an email about this just last month...

No, I think the virgin of Alaska forum is his home.

Yes, same guy on the CA side, always getting the trips. Makes DOT or even when something pops up later, total BS for the rest of us that play by the rules. Union probably won’t do anything and the company has bigger fish to fry... it’s sickening!

You obviously don’t work here and have no idea how big of an issue this is. It’s against Flica’s policy to use any type of bots, to do the picking up of open time. It’s a real issue that the company and Flica knows about, and the chief pilot has sent out an email about it.

He’s an Alaskan virgin dude.

So when is the company going to step in?? The email from the chief didn’t seem to scare the bot users off! Can’t be hard to catch these guys. When all their time stamps are within seconds of posting!

Doesn’t stop it. A certain Spaniard in DFW has been highly suspected for a while now.

Did you contact your rep and the scheduling committee?

I know the company is aware that people are doing it but lets be honest the company couldn't figure out where their own crews were for the last 2-3 days. I'm betting this isn't high on their list of things to fix.

Sounds better than pbs


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Facts.....

Getting FLICA to do anything would be a miracle. It’s a useless company with awful support.


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No I don’t work here. But we had Flica for years and had never heard of bots hacking. I’m actually curious now. A google search shows its happened before at jetBlue. Interesting issue, just goes to show personal greed and putting oneself above others.


Correct. The Virgin is gone now, it's just Alaska. The AS subforum on APC sucks. It's full of guys constant complaining and beotching about the merger and the same 10 angry men venting over and over again about things they cannot control. It's pathetic and people are fleeting away from the AS subforum. Looks like the last post there was almost a week ago.

They tried recaptchas at JetBlue for certain instances where users pinged the system frequently (indicative of bot use). Not sure if it is still in place. Talking to some computer smart people who know some of the bot guys, all the guys with good bots have bots that can beat the recaptchas, so the only people it really affected were guys who were manually updating flica windows frequently.

The "cartels" are also still a problem at jetblue. The same guys seem to immediately pickup the trips with a bot, trade with each other, then dump what they don't want into open time. Many times a trip will be in and out of open time in an instant, then appear on the trade board or dumped into open time again if they end up not wanting it.

Supposedly management was trying to crack down (partly because it's a violation of flica terms of service, partly because there are a lot of complaints about it). Not sure if anything ever came of it with regards to discipline, or how much it still happens.

I would guess that the company doesn't give 2 poops about the bot lowlifes because the open time is (very) reliably getting covered.

The union should.

Great, the Alaska forums suck so he comes here to be clueless.

[QUOTE=TrojanCMH;2807290]I don’t think it is what you think it is. The bot people pay for a program/script that can put in multiple requests for adds and swaps in seconds. It’s not just some guy clicking around on his phone after getting a Flica alert text.


You are 100% correct. I heard the Company is going after 3 pilots for using the Bots after we've been told to stop. Flica can see the IP address and constance pinging of the Flica site. It's trolling the site watching for open time swaps. Notice you can't sign on Flica with 2 devices at once.. Flica told the Company months ago about what they're see on their end.

[QUOTE=Super EZ E;2807859]Good. And they should be fired. Coloring inside the lines here isn't difficult and after repeated warnings I feel more significant action is warranted.

[QUOTE=Macjet;2808011]The Bots are just the tip of the iceberg. Once wifi goes live on planes, it will serve as a breeding ground for inflight DOT pickups. JetBlue had the same issues and pilots were fired for doing it; we will have stupid pilots do it and they too should be disciplined, and probably fired.

It's one thing to cheat your fellow pilots with Bots, to pick up time, its another to leave a paper trail while picking up DOT while in flight, VPN or otherwise, you will be caught.

As a side note; don't put the guy youre flying with in a difficult situation by surfing the internet in cruise. It's both of you on the line if something happens and they see a crew member was on the internet. Soon all of our planes will have wifi up and running, be smart.

[QUOTE=Omniscient;2808024]Soon? We don’t even have 1 plane up and running. We were supposed to have WiFi launch flight back in Jan. It’s gonna be a while. Also. PBS doesn’t require WiFi. So you can still work on your bids during the window

[QUOTE=dfwflyboy;2808210]He was talking about DOT.

Exactly.

“DFWflyboy” is always a few sandwiches short of a picnic. Must be his constant complaining about Spirit and the choices he has made

According to unamed Union sources; the first noi for bot use was issued a few weeks ago.

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Yeah- makes sense an airline would go “live,” as soon as the FIRST airplane is ready.... lol

Anyone with enough skills to write FLICA bot programs (or half a brain) isn't browsing the internet naked. The logged IP will lead nowhere.

FLICA (the company) doesn't give a sh!t about bots or scripts because it violates seniority or is unfair. They only care because it might tax their servers more. If it was on the level of a dos attack, you bet they'd be after the culprit. This? nah.

The company paid it lip service and I'd expect it to stop there for them. BTW I Googled "FLICA hacking bot subscription" and got no relevant results so crap, good luck everyone!

If they can prove he/she picked up multiple trips within milliseconds it doesn’t matter what their IP is.


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Bingo. The incriminating evidence doesn't need to arise from an IP. Bots leave a recognizable pattern of behavior. All they need to do is determine the number of milliseconds in which it is not humanly impossible to submit a request, then flag those Flica accounts with such activity. Continued patterns of activity should be enough to justify an NOI.

Deeper issue is shows the personality trait of a pos loser. I’m sure they sit there and high five themselves and think they are just smarter then everyone else. Probably teach their children if you have to cheat in life go ahead. It’s the right thing to do. Screw everyone else. To me one of the biggest problems in our society is the f*#k everyone else it’s all about me mentality.

People who lie and cheat are scum. Simple as that. One of the last times I sat and talked with my father before he died he talked about your word and integrity and to never lose it.

I’m sure some day one of these *********s will get caught and go crying for representation. If and when they do get caught I don’t have much sympathy for the outcome. They know it’s wrong, they have been warned to not do it and yet I’m sure some keep doing it. Maybe someday their children will get screwed in life by a cheater. Karma’s a *****.

You know to access a trip trade via Flica you're required to use your login? Forget the IP. The finger print is the login. The fact people are accessing the Flica system and cutting a Bot loose to to troll and trip trade. The Bots are slowing the system down is what Flica told the Company. Let's see what the Company says during the NOI. I'd bet someone is going to get a couple of weeks off to send a message.