What's this have to do with the stock price again?

I think that’s why the creator(s) of the list took the multi-tier approach.

Our shareholders got a hold of this list and that’s why it plunged 24%

If there was a list for Fo's i know i would be on it because i make captains cry after every trip because they can't punch me lol :)

I call that winning if he stayed in the base and got pay protected for the canceled flights lol :D

There are multiple lists. I've seen screenshots of at least 3. I suspect these are mostly personal lists that someone has shared with a friend, who shared with another pilot, who shared to a chat somewhere...and now they've gone "viral". Having seen a few different lists, I can tell you one thing; almost all the names are the same. This isn't a coincidence.

Wanna see the "list"? Just go into FLICA and look at the FO open time. You'll see lots of sweet trips with the same names always attached to them. Almost every time I see a decent trip in DOT, I know why it's there. A quick click and check of the CA and I'd say 90% of the time my suspicions are confirmed.

I know the names, and I always give these pilots a chance; not once have I added someone to my no fly without actually flying with them. That being said, I've never been given bad info either...it's been my experience most of the warnings from others were valid.

Here's a novel idea...if your name is appearing on lists, you're always flying with RSV FO's, and pro-standards has talked to you 10 times...maybe stop being a **** to fly with. List or no list, FO's know who you are. Problem is I suspect most of these people don't care. As a matter of fact, I've literally had a few of these pilots tell me that FO's don't like them while we were on a trip. :rolleyes:

All that being said, it's important to state that those pilots are in an extreme minority here. With the exception of a few bad apples, this is the best group of pilots I've ever had the pleasure of flying with. Hopefully Pro Standards starts taking more aggressive action on the names that keep coming across their desk over and over... until then, people talk.

This is a dangerous attitude to have. If someone is unsafe or makes the working conditions such that it become a distraction, these people need to be dealt with. Every airline has a list and in my experience, it is typically about 75% accurate. Some get on them for something stupid or someones feelings are hurt, but usually, everyone has the same group of Captains, so there is something to it.

There is zero reason to be an ******* in this job. If you cant offer constructive criticism or guidance without being a douche, that is a you problem, not a we problem. Go learn how to properly interact with your fellow employees.

If you are offended that a list exists, you may very well be the type that is on it. Hell, if I knew I was on said list, I would work damn hard on myself to figure out how I can improve my social skills, that's what "putting on your big boy pants is all about".

they had no pay protection when that capt, AF, was told to change bases....

Who gives a S.....
It’s not a captains job to be liked. In fact, before this “feelings” revolution it was actually expected (and taught) Captains would “be friendly, but not familiar”.

I’ve been in flight decks now where the other guy expects me to act like his fraternity brother. That we are there to “have fun”. Well, I don’t agree with that. Just imagine some of these CVR’s playing on a 24 hr news loop. What would your families say?

Some of you younger guys will be captains soon enough. Then you’ll have to balance being friendly and hurting someones feelings because what they did was not SOP or professional. We can enjoy ourselves and keep the job safe. But I’m not there to be your friend.

Bro is mad he made the list.

No, bro, I’m not on this list but captains have their own list of f#sticks Fo who are better suited to be a bartender than a airline pilot.

[QUOTE=Av viii;2865092]No, bro, I’m not on this list but captains have their own list of f#sticks Fo who are better suited to be a bartender than a airline pilot.[/QUOTE

Come on bro; your English grammar skills are lining up pretty close to several asshat FLL captains. You’re on the list.

This right here..! Well said

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Avviii, DM me your name to make sure i drop the trip if youre in it.

[QUOTE=8JRMfortheyear;2865278]Please drop it if its a mjb overnight :D Im still wait for one in the DOT

If you're not on a lot of folks' No Fly, you will be soon....there is a right way and a wrong way to counsel an FO.

I don't think any FO worth their salt takes offense to being counseled and mentored. That's what a good captain is supposed to do. However, some captains simply do a terrible job of it. And some captains don't bother following SOP themselves, instead relying on their own slapstick version that they've made up over years of disregarding the books. Those are the truly dangerous types.

Saying that is more based on experiences at my last airline than at this one. In my year on property I have yet to fly with someone that I wanted to put on a No Fly list. The group overall is outstanding. There's always that small percentage.

Since when does a captain get to dictate how much cologne someone wears? Or the captain that shows up 10 prior to push because he takes a separate van time and expects you to have everything done? Or the captain that wants to watch you show your ID to the gate agent to verify that your ID was checked before getting on the aircraft? And said captain takes both straps in cockpit for
Their bag and makes you put yours in the overhead bin in the back? That’s a GOD complex and hence why they are on a ‘list’ the very reason a list exists is Because of this behavior

Captain CRM aint there to make his crew comfortable. me me me

I agree .. these captains show up and say look at ‘me me me’ . It’s crazy the narcissism they have

Haha..the straps...I remember being a brand new FO and a certain CA told me that her bag would be strapped in on the jumpseat straps because she wants to have access to her things in flight without having to reach behind her. This was back when the EMK was up front so I could not place my bag in the corner behind me, so I had to strap my bag behind hers.

I remember thinking "the one thing I have as an FO is the more accessible bag storage, and she just took that away from me too"

Funny thing is I omitted ‘her’ from that . But you knew exactly who this person is I’m
Guessing. Who cares about you as long as she can reach her ham sandwich .. haha. Thankfully we have very few at this airline . But we have some real doozies .

Next time you should tell that captain you’re going to watch the gate agent check his ID after he watches you to make sure you are both who y’all say you are.

Who said it was a “he?”

“That person” I mean

I just saw the list the other day and noticed I’d just flown with someone on it. Person was a little more paranoid flying around thunderstorms than I thought they needed to be but oh well. No other complaints.

There are several pilots in both seats in FLL that wear entirely too much cologne. With one FO it actually makes it hard to breathe. It’s work not a club, leave your cologne at home. Btw, while a bit odd the captain you mention that is on the list is a good pilot and knows the airplane well and on top of that a pretty nice guy. Not the best representative for spirit but I would have no problem flying with him again.

And for the other ones you describe how does any of those behaviors warrant a no fly. Probably not the best of our co workers but seriously all that stuff seems pretty tolerable.

No offense but I’m getting a big “birds of a feather, flock together” vibe here. I can’t think of one time I have ever been bothered with cologne from a pilot or FA.

How can you excuse some of the notorious actions of our worst as being “tolerable” but if someone wears cologne, they should “leave it at home, it’s not a club”

“Take your cologne off,” “put your big boy pants on,” etc.....great attitude

I was never bothered by any cologne until I flew with this one guy and he was in open time a bit last month so I’m guessing others have noticed. It’s a full on fume event. It’s distracting.

I guy having verifying the agent checks your ID ridiculous but it’s not going to ruin my day. I’ve never flown with this character though.

Someone telling me to put my bag in the back and I’ll laugh as I strap it to the jumpseat. Other option is you laugh it off as you take your bag to the back. Either way shouldn’t ruin your day.

Unless it’s a no fly list or too much cologne. Sorry couldn’t resist:D

Speaking of stock price... when the market sinks, SAVE leads the way... when the market trends up SAVE stays flat

58 by October
Or a buy out offer sooner

Where I worked Captains couldn't have a "no fly" list. F/Os could. Captain lines were awarded first and if your choice was with one on your list you would default to your next choice.

There was an F/O who was a notorious PIA. Someone discovered he hadn't changed his original Company computer login. Captains were going in and putting themselves on his no fly list.

Eventually, someone junior got his preferred line. When the Company checked there were something like 40 Captains on his no fly list. The funny thing was, he didn't put any of them on there.

I’m losing my shirt on it right now. Maybe it’s time to double down

I wish I was holding VA mid-March 2016.

jetblue will buy spirit
Or spirit will buy frontier



Is my guess

My bet is neither. If there is to be a joining of hands, it will be a merger, and not a direct buyout. And our fiancé is Frontier.....

Below $39 today

Word is out at WS
Save is a Buy out target
They also have some cash which is attractive to a future buyer of Save


58 per share offer and the board will decide

“Word is out”??? These things get negotiated over months. Not happening.

Word is out
SAVE is a target for a take over
Not a done deal

It will take a year minimum for the offer if any
to be accepted by the BOD of Save