Spirit stock down 24% .... a buy out by
 

If someone offers
$60 per share will the board say Yes?

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no....filler

You guys are getting acquired by Frontier...

Wow.. And I thought AA looked bad.

Not a chance

What a blood bath!!

This response is basically the investors giving Ted the richard slap for trying to run this place like a regional with regard to the staffing model. He openly admitted it on the investors call and people were clearly not happy. Lots of blame on Mother Nature and admitting to stretching crews too thin.

I did get a good laugh though when that one lady asked about changing our route structure because of all the bad weather blaming.

I wonder if non-stop daily X list calls was a cause or an effect.

You might see a move if the stock were depressed down to the low $30’s for an extended period and the MAX fiasco was slated to drag out another two years.

The current price is still above what it was during the contract negotiations, and will likely come back up with an order announcement.

Also, bean counters gonna bean counter.

Lastly, NK still netted $114M or some such for the quarter. It was only a few short years ago that it netted a bit over $200M for the year. This place will print money and grow like crazy if the folks in Miramar will quit stepping on their own cranks.

Time for a new and significant aircraft order to facilitate more growth!!!! I’ve read that Air France is about to order something like 50-70 A220s to replace its smaller A318s and A319s. The order backlog lines are only getting longer Ted....

Oh Ted...
That's what happens when you try to run the "Spirit" like Ornstein's Mesa!
You should know better than Bob, he was a just part timer :D

All airline management are part timers, founders being the exception. These guys circulate regularly in the punch bowl, just hope for competence and a lot of luck. What happened to leadership? Guitar Hero can't even be bothered to put out a memo to the front line.

I think that punctuates the lack of respect Miramar has for the employee groups. Partners in profit sharing? Nope. Message to the troops on the changing of the guard? Nope. Message on the direction of the company? Nope. But don't forget to push on time and turn those APU's off.

Speaking of messages, what are these messages being “passed around electronically with some disparaging comments”? Who is getting made fun of?

Yes, let’s discuss this on the forums after receiving an email 3 hours ago from ProStans asking people to show some professionalism. :confused:

The email was talking about making fun of people. Im not here to do that, Im just here to inquire what it was about.

I think there's an A hole captain list on one of the WhatsApp groups. My FO was kind enough to lie to me and tell me that I wasn't on it.

Okay, I actually have heard of that but didn’t think much about it.

Well you asked "who was being made fun of" and I just didnt want someone to post the list or naming "who" was on this list. Thats all I was saying.

But how ridiculous is making a list like this?

I find that half the folks with reputations don’t deserve it. Usually it’s that they expect you to do your job and people get their feelings hurt and put that person on a list. Do your job per the AOM and you won’t have a problem with 99.9999% of the captains.

It’s pretty ridiculous!

I’m sure I’ll catch a bit of flak for this but......

I didn’t make or contribute to the list, but I have seen it. My guess is that this list was created as a result of a pro standards program that isn’t producing results; ie the guys who no one wants to fly with are making no effort to improve themselves and it affects everyone they work with including flight attendants, gate agents, rampers......etc. People want to know who they are so they don’t have to put up with their crap. In almost any other industry they would have been excused from their positions due to their lack of professionalism. In aviation in particular we place an emphasis on hazardous attitudes and how they are a significant factor in incidents and accidents, and yet we protect their jobs. It’s reasonable that the union doesn’t want a list like this to exist, but what isn’t reasonable is that those guys are still employed by spirit after demonstrating a lengthy pattern of inappropriate and unprofessional behavior.

People complaining about the list are probably people on said list.

The last guy who got canned shoulda been gone a while ago... a real threat to company and glad I moved up a number. I haven’t seen any list .., but bet I can name 10 people on it. Many of them would never fly my family... but a few bad apples (bad attitudes) are at every airline ... overall great group.. better than most.. but our ding dongs are real peaches

I've seen the list. It's accurate. Not condoning, but also not surprised.

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Every airline has those. At Republic there was a captain whom the company actually asked to switch bases because so many FOs in his current base had him on their Do Not Fly list. The union protected his job too. I don't get it.

Have seen the list, pretty accurate. Simple. Don’t be a d#$&H*@d and you won’t end up on it. There’s a difference in being Boss and being bossy.

I think a good way to measure it is if you are constantly flying with FO's on reserve and you are a line holder it's probably a good assumption that you are on a list of some sort lol.

Or folks could put their big boy pants on. It’s work not a sorority. Are the folks making these lists the same ones that got their parents to talk to the principal and have their class changed bc the teacher was mean.

I’m not saying certain captains can’t conduct themselves better but life is full of bad teachers, horrible bosses, and annoying coworkers. You suck it up. At least that’s what I was taught and I’m a millennial.

I am going to respectfully disagree with you on this one. I am over 2 decades into this career, 4 companies, 3 upgrades. I am LAS based, 95% of the FOs I fly with have the same 3 guys on the no fly list. That is not a "mean" issue. Every airline has hired a few they regret hiring.

Guys in the list at my old airline. They were terrifying to fly with and their personality made you want to punch them or cry.

Not sure the guys “on the list” at spirit are truly that bad? Just not as awesome as the other 99% maybe. I personally never put someone on my no fly list. I would even assume these listers aren’t on many no fly lists either.

There are Captains... and then there are pilots with enough seniority on a list to wear 4 stripes. Nuff said.

Don’t think anyone is asking to be coddled. But obviously someone on the list is butt hurt. So it’s a two way street.

The CA’s on the list in my base absolutely deserve to be on there. Every FO complains about the same names. I’d give a pilot a fair shake before making a judgement to have them on the list. But the names already there haven’t made behavior adjustments that deserve a fair shake. Be nice if the list went both ways. I’ll admit to not picking up a trip because a certain FO is on it.

As mentioned earlier, fly SOP and treat the person next to you how you’d like to be treated. Makes work much more enjoyable.

It seems narcissism can only be treated by oneself by seeking help!

Really? People put on their ‘big boy pants’ all the time to fly with this group or
They would never fly with anyone . The point being is nobody should ever have to ‘suck it up’ to fly with these folks .. Personalities dont always mesh, but these people are persona non grata for a reason . They are the on a ‘list ‘ for s reason. The problem is them . Not the FO. The infamous captain that got fired here years ago went to Africa and crashed an MD and killed many people . I would argue that some folks here need to ‘put on their big boy pants ‘ and understand they aren’t god and their typed rated FO’s are part
Of the crew and a good resource

Right, it's because of the FO not follwing the AOM. It's probably has nothing to do with, yelling at a ramper or FA to the point they are crying. How about having a tirade in reccurent ground in front of the rest of the class that got them on the list.:rolleyes:

Having flown with a handful of the people on the list I found the descriptions accurate. I'd classify most of them as "prefer not to fly with again if at all possible but I'll do it if I have to". I'm on my 3rd airline and 18th year in da bidness and while there are definitely exceptions to the rule the people who make it on the type of list we were emailed about have earned their spot and I for one appreciate getting a heads up about them.

I’d agree with most of this. I’ve had names discussed but I haven’t actually seen the list. Usually I ask the person if they’ve flown with that captain. The answer is usually no. Most of the folks on the list I wouldn’t eat dinner with on the overnight but getting through the day isn’t what their reputation suggests in most cases. There of course are exceptions and those special folks are dangerous. Luckily one we just got rid of and I heard another maybe earlier this year but I didn’t verify that. If they are dangerous they need to be gone. If they are just weird but do the job well then suck it up and look out the window. If they are A holes then refer them to pro standards after having your own conversation.

I’m willing to bet most on that list have been run through the ProStandards routine. The fact they have not changed at all, and still have issues today, sadly shows inefficiencies with the ProStandards process at Spirit. It’s a great resource but telling FOs to “suck it up and look out the window” isn’t a solution, it’s a cop out.

These guys on the list aren’t anomalies, they are the grade A tools. I don’t like the list because FOs shouldn’t have to make a list, pilots should police their own and these Captains do nobody any good at our airline.

I don’t know where the limits of the union DFR begins and ends, but I would like to see these guys pulled and counseled and retrained on CRM and basic respect for others.

I said suck it up if they are odd. And some of the pilots I’ve been told are on that list are just that. It’s their only infraction. Weird pilots shouldn’t be on the same list as dangerous pilots or major A holes and that’s what I was getting at.

And when I say A holes I don’t mean someone that shares a technique or counsels you about following SOP.

Where can I get a cy of this list ....