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FNGFO 08-20-2019 08:17 AM


Originally Posted by Sniper66 (Post 2873291)
Buffet statement to the board
“ elephant size acquisition “
That is not SAVE for sure

Oh, I wouldn’t think SAVE would be his target. Just shooting down some of the nonsense about being a pilot under Buffet.

Omniscient 08-20-2019 09:24 AM

Given that ol Teddy said that Q3 costs would be much higher, because of their staffing screw ups, I have to assume the stock will drop more once earnings are released. With Spirit, nothing ever seems to be priced in, so I would be shocked if it didn’t drop again after Q3.

Now when it drops again, that’s when I would possible see someone coming in.

Teddy is going to roll out this new fuel policy in a few weeks to try and improve his cost numbers. Flashback to the Indigo days where planes were planned at 4.0 landing.

MudhammedCJ 08-21-2019 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 2870149)
Not gonna happen. The Airbus can’t be dumbed down to SWA’s level :D

But if it were SWA, don't you worry. WHACK is planning on giving a new hire his seniority. Because that is only fair. Right wack?

Macjet 08-21-2019 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by MudhammedCJ (Post 2873963)
But if it were SWA, don't you worry. WHACK is planning on giving a new hire his seniority. Because that is only fair. Right wack?

The only thing good about SWA would be having better places to live. Other than that, no.

Sniper66 08-21-2019 05:48 PM


Originally Posted by Macjet (Post 2874181)
The only thing good about SWA would be having better places to live. Other than that, no.





With the 737max debacle
They need planes and pilots
Many planes and pilots
140 and 60 or so orders will be the max that SWA ordered and is about to cancel and go on different path with 2 fleets

WHACKMASTER 08-22-2019 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by MudhammedCJ (Post 2873963)
But if it were SWA, don't you worry. WHACK is planning on giving a new hire his seniority. Because that is only fair. Right wack?

Please elaborate on your drivel more specifically.

LandGreen 08-22-2019 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by Macjet (Post 2874181)
The only thing good about SWA would be having better places to live. Other than that, no.

For sure! Forget their pay scale and trip rigs that allow you to easily have 18 days off a month, right?

Halon1211 08-22-2019 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by LandGreen (Post 2874431)
For sure! Forget their pay scale and trip rigs that allow you to easily have 18 days off a month, right?

Forget their Junior Manning at the end of a 4 day, right?

gripngrab 08-22-2019 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by LandGreen (Post 2874431)
For sure! Forget their pay scale and trip rigs that allow you to easily have 18 days off a month, right?

Also their lack of flexibility in dropping their schedule. The only way to drop there is to have someone else pick up your trip.

Sniper66 08-22-2019 12:02 PM


Originally Posted by gripngrab (Post 2874516)
Also their lack of flexibility in dropping their schedule. The only way to drop there is to have someone else pick up your trip.



With 18 days off what kind of drop will you need
Anyway

Omniscient 08-22-2019 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by Sniper66 (Post 2874522)
With 18 days off what kind of drop will you need
Anyway

Maybe one of the non 18 days off days???

LandGreen 08-22-2019 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by gripngrab (Post 2874516)
Also their lack of flexibility in dropping their schedule. The only way to drop there is to have someone else pick up your trip.

Unless you’re in the to 10% of your seat here good luck dropping anything other than a 2 day during the week. I’m not a spirit qol hater, but the guys who claim to have carte blanche over their schedule are either very very senior or stretching the truth (edit: or have a bot)

Omniscient 08-22-2019 04:21 PM

I (we) (nobody) should be shocked with a red reserve grid in a summer where we carried 12-17% reserve staffing. This shouldn’t be a shock when our historical reserve staffing is about double the low end of that.

Now that the company got their peepees slapped and are increasing hiring and reserve staffing, the grid should be more solidly green going forward. Remember last year after summer, up until this summer collapse, grid was green green green. This was all pre Teddy trying to make a name for himself.

But yeah, when they barely have enough reserve coverage this summer to make 75% of the grid green by a day, it doesn’t take much in IOT to turn it red. But the company learned the hard way that doesn’t fly, and Teddy is now hiring every Tom, Dick, and Harry so he can keep his job a little longer.

koala98g 08-22-2019 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by Omniscient (Post 2874648)
I (we) (nobody) should be shocked with a red reserve grid in a summer where we carried 12-17% reserve staffing. This shouldn’t be a shock when our historical reserve staffing is about double the low end of that.

Now that the company got their peepees slapped and are increasing hiring and reserve staffing, the grid should be more solidly green going forward. Remember last year after summer, up until this summer collapse, grid was green green green. This was all pre Teddy trying to make a name for himself.

But yeah, when they barely have enough reserve coverage this summer to make 75% of the grid green by a day, it doesn’t take much in IOT to turn it red. But the company learned the hard way that doesn’t fly, and Teddy is now hiring every Tom, Dick, and Harry so he can keep his job a little longer.

Hello. My name is Tom.

Flightcap 08-22-2019 05:15 PM

Getting Sundays and Saturdays off is my biggest schedule priority. My schedule for August initially had me working 3 of 4 Sundays as well as Sunday the 1st of September. I ended up working only 1 of those and that one turned into a trip that I could commute home in time for church. Other than that one weekend, I haven't worked a Sunday or Saturday for the entire month. Every single trip was commutable except on the end of one of them. At this moment I'm sitting on 83 hours credit with 17 days off after X list trips. And I have the entire week off next week to get more. I bid around 80% in my base. This experience has been more normal than the exception for me.

So yeah....I'd say my QOL has been nothing short of fantastic for a junior guy who can barely hold a line even during the summer months.

Macjet 08-22-2019 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by LandGreen (Post 2874574)
Unless you’re in the to 10% of your seat here good luck dropping anything other than a 2 day during the week. I’m not a spirit qol hater, but the guys who claim to have carte blanche over their schedule are either very very senior or stretching the truth (edit: or have a bot)

I'm in the bottom 10% and this month, except for one Sunday, I had every weekend off and got everything that I wanted. Last month wasn't any different. September SUCKS though.

Judge Smails 08-22-2019 06:46 PM

Idk...Teddy’s F up has been my gain. Making $64,000 in 2 months ain’t bad. Please Ted, keep those upgrades and new hires down to a trickle.

Halon1211 08-22-2019 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by Omniscient (Post 2874648)
I (we) (nobody) should be shocked with a red reserve grid in a summer where we carried 12-17% reserve staffing. This shouldn’t be a shock when our historical reserve staffing is about double the low end of that.

Now that the company got their peepees slapped and are increasing hiring and reserve staffing, the grid should be more solidly green going forward. Remember last year after summer, up until this summer collapse, grid was green green green. This was all pre Teddy trying to make a name for himself.

But yeah, when they barely have enough reserve coverage this summer to make 75% of the grid green by a day, it doesn’t take much in IOT to turn it red. But the company learned the hard way that doesn’t fly, and Teddy is now hiring every Tom, Dick, and Harry so he can keep his job a little longer.

Speaking of hiring Tom, I hear there is a new FO on property with a similar name that claims he was abducted by aliens 👽 ...he’ll tell you about it too!

Omniscient 08-22-2019 06:59 PM


Originally Posted by Judge Smails (Post 2874703)
Idk...Teddy’s F up has been my gain. Making $64,000 in 2 months ain’t bad. Please Ted, keep those upgrades and new hires down to a trickle.

Haha. Good for you man. I love guys milking the misery from Teddy’s teat.

How is that for a visual imagery?

gripngrab 08-23-2019 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by Sniper66 (Post 2874522)
With 18 days off what kind of drop will you need
Anyway

Your apps out to Southwest and elsewhere?

gripngrab 08-23-2019 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by LandGreen (Post 2874574)
Unless you’re in the to 10% of your seat here good luck dropping anything other than a 2 day during the week. I’m not a spirit qol hater, but the guys who claim to have carte blanche over their schedule are either very very senior or stretching the truth (edit: or have a bot)

70 to 75% range. Original Sep sked was 85 hrs. Dropped three of my four 4 day trips in Sep and rebuilt. Two 4 days were dropped in initial, one in DOT. Got all the days off I wanted with 83 credit. Your position doesn't hold water.

LloydBraun 08-23-2019 02:56 PM

I’ve Been doing ok. 39% in base. 74 hour line, dropped a 4 day in IOT and a 3 day in DOT and picked up 2 3 days for a 71 hour line working 12 days.

Macjet 08-23-2019 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 2874707)
Speaking of hiring Tom, I hear there is a new FO on property with a similar name that claims he was abducted by aliens 👽 ...he’ll tell you about it too!

We already fired the flat Earth'er FO.

CLRtoPush 08-23-2019 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by Macjet (Post 2875140)
We already fired the flat Earth'er FO.

There’s another one, cause I’m still here.

gringo 08-24-2019 08:01 AM

The engineers in Toulouse designed the A320 with the lowest common denominator in mind, say, a Sub-Saharan First Officer with a bone still stuck through his nose.

So with that in mind, I’m fairly confident even a Flat Earther can operate Fifi more or less in a safe manner...

Flat Earth is a mental illness.

Study science. Stop the stupid.

FLYBOYMATTHEW 09-09-2019 05:48 AM

The beatings continue...$35 and falling.

Omniscient 09-09-2019 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW (Post 2883700)
The beatings continue...$35 and falling.

this happens when you cancel flights from MCO when the hurricane is still over the Bahamas...$25 mil hit while already announcing your costs will be out of line even before the hurricane.

Teddy is not ready for the big corner office..

Flightcap 09-09-2019 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by Omniscient (Post 2883762)
this happens when you cancel flights from MCO when the hurricane is still over the Bahamas...$25 mil hit while already announcing your costs will be out of line even before the hurricane.

Teddy is not ready for the big corner office..

Pretty sure that MCO Airport Authority closing the airport drove those cancellations right? Nonetheless it does seem that our CEO is a little in over his head.

FNGFO 09-09-2019 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by Omniscient (Post 2883762)
this happens when you cancel flights from MCO when the hurricane is still over the Bahamas...$25 mil hit while already announcing your costs will be out of line even before the hurricane.

Teddy is not ready for the big corner office..

I’m not overly enamored with Christie, but let’s be real. Every airline that runs a bunch of business through FLL and MCO go kicked in the teeth by Dorian.

Omniscient 09-09-2019 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by Flightcap (Post 2883783)
Pretty sure that MCO Airport Authority closing the airport drove those cancellations right? Nonetheless it does seem that our CEO is a little in over his head.

Yes. And AA, SWA and JBLU didn’t cancel any flights at that point. They waited.

Frontier Spirit and Allegiant canceled as soon as the notice came out and the storm was still a ways off. You know, still headed for Alabama at that point 😂

But I agree, it seemed he was so scared of having the system collapse, so he canceled early. If I had to guess, ol Bob Fornaro would have not canceled so early as being around for a while, has a little more hair on the grapes to not cancel so quick. Storms change, after all, Alabama was spared from destruction

Sniper66 09-09-2019 10:48 AM


Originally Posted by Omniscient (Post 2883920)
Yes. And AA, SWA and JBLU didn’t cancel any flights at that point. They waited.

Frontier Spirit and Allegiant canceled as soon as the notice came out and the storm was still a ways off. You know, still headed for Alabama at that point 😂

But I agree, it seemed he was so scared of having the system collapse, so he canceled early. If I had to guess, ol Bob Fornaro would have not canceled so early as being around for a while, has a little more hair on the grapes to not cancel so quick. Storms change, after all, Alabama was spared from destruction






JetBlue is peaking the stock price closely I would say

MCDUmanipulator 09-09-2019 11:29 AM

Highly doubt it was Solely the CEO’s call to cancel the flights.

Omniscient 09-09-2019 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator (Post 2883983)
Highly doubt it was Solely the CEO’s call to cancel the flights.

Doesn’t matter who was involved, buck stops with him.

FLYBOYMATTHEW 09-09-2019 06:19 PM

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/spirit-airlines-forecasts-25-million-revenue-hit-from-hurricane-dorian-2019-09-09

"Spirit stock has fallen 38.6% for the year to date while the S&P 500 index SPX-0.01% is up 19.1% for the period."

CLRtoPush 09-09-2019 06:26 PM


Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW (Post 2884276)
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/spirit-airlines-forecasts-25-million-revenue-hit-from-hurricane-dorian-2019-09-09

"Spirit stock has fallen 38.6% for the year to date while the S&P 500 index SPX-0.01% is up 19.1% for the period."

If Trump doesn’t win 2020, maybe he can MSGA. He’ll be back in Florida, an easy commute to Miramar.

gringo 09-10-2019 05:12 AM


Originally Posted by CLRtoPush (Post 2884279)
If Trump doesn’t win 2020, maybe he can MSGA. He’ll be back in Florida, an easy commute to Miramar.

Great idea. We can end up like his casino. Bankrupt. Or his steaks. Bankrupt. Or his “school”. Bankrupt. Or his wine. Bankrupt.

Or his airline.

How did that end up?

Oh yeah.

YourMom 09-10-2019 05:30 AM


Originally Posted by gringo (Post 2884465)
Great idea. We can end up like his casino. Bankrupt. Or his steaks. Bankrupt. Or his “school”. Bankrupt. Or his wine. Bankrupt.

Or his airline.

How did that end up?

Oh yeah.

Whatever he is still one of the richest and most successful men. He also is the President of the United States and the economy is doing quite well. Longest bull run ever. Are you sick of winning yet?

gringo 09-10-2019 06:28 AM


Originally Posted by YourMom (Post 2884478)
Whatever he is still one of the richest and most successful men. He also is the President of the United States and the economy is doing quite well. Longest bull run ever. Are you sick of winning yet?

😂😂😂

Welp, nothing a black sharpie marker can’t fix anyways. Lucky there’s an Office Depot not 3.2 miles from Miramar.

Unlimited supply. Prolly even have the big fat ones too.

Qotsaautopilot 09-10-2019 10:35 AM


Originally Posted by YourMom (Post 2884478)
Whatever he is still one of the richest and most successful men. He also is the President of the United States and the economy is doing quite well. Longest bull run ever. Are you sick of winning yet?

He’s not a champion of labor. He’d outsource us in the first five minutes and tell us to take it up in court and stall us there for years.

offmyrocker 09-10-2019 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2884754)
He’s not a champion of labor. He’d outsource us in the first five minutes and tell us to take it up in court and stall us there for years.

Blows my mind that pilots can’t figure this part of the equation out. At the end of the day we are union workers....


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