Reserve QOL
 

Just curious how reserve quality of life has changed since the PBS went into effect? Can a reserve holder drop some days and pick up open trips during those days?

QOL has gone down. No, you can’t drop R days and pick up during those days.

You can’t drop days, that part stinks. As far as rsv though, it’s not bad. 3hr call out/14hr on long call. No airport standby. You can self release 6 hrs before the end of your last day of reserve .


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Reserve QOL
 

You can’t do any schedule manipulation on reserve anymore, it’s terrible.


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Can you self release from short or long call reserve?
And how long till one can hold a line in ORD or LAS or DTW?

3 hours to push not 3 hour callout. in the entire rest of the industry the callout is notification to showing up, for some reason we run this "phone call to push" idea which is absurd.

Not that absurd considering most places are a 2 hour call to report. Basically just a different way of saying 2 hour call out on short call.

it is but it isn't. it makes it nearly impossible to compare apples to apples and people fall in the misinformation. Look at the poster above. 3 hour callout.

Someone reading assumes that's what we have, and that's just not the case.

This has only been beat over and over again.

It’s 3 hours ready to push.

This isn’t “essentially a 2 hour call out”

This isn’t “45 minute show so it’s a 2:15 hour call out with a 45 minute show time”

This isn’t “plane is ready to push in 3 hours”

It’s “the pilot will arrive at the aircraft and be ready to depart within 3 hours of receiving notification of the trip”

You have 15 minutes to call scheduling back when notified of the trip, that isn’t not counted in the 3 hours time.

There is no definition of what “ready to depart” means. So if you can be ready to depart in 5 minutes after taking your seat, there you go. Plane can push late, it’s pilot ready to depart.

It’s all covered in the new hire guide on the Alpa website.

Thanks for everybody's responses and clarifying this 3-hour rule!
Can anyone venture an educated guess on how long it takes to hold a line in LAS and ORD for a new hire?

Any prediction someone gives on here probably won’t be accurate since the company hired about 30 people total for the 12 months preceding July. Now there’s 40-60 a month.

Not long considering how much we're hiring. If you pick a class date at the beginning of the month you'll increase your odds as well. Even if you're in the last class of the month I can't imagine it'll be more than a month to get where you want. It took me one month on the line to get LAS and we were hiring less than now.

Great, thanks! I hope you are right. I'm sure the timing is going to be different now, but how long did it take you to get off reserve in LAS?

old contract you could not drop R days and pick up(at 100% pay) either. you can put yourself on the X or Y lists and hope for an OT call which pays 200%

Currently the most junior lineholder in LAS is a 4/2018 hire. With all of the new hiring I imagine this will come down a bit.

Move into base and life is good. Commute and it can suck the big one. If you live in base you can make serious $$$. The system can still be worked. We had an FO do 220 credit in one month (June). I can do 100 credit easy. If you know the work rules (Section 25) money is just hanging there for the taking. IE Move up, SIT, FDE, 200% reschedule and the best one the 0100 to 0400 5 hr bang! :eek: Or you can just get paid 72hrs and chill. Ask your buddies and at Airlines if they get the extras we have in our contract?

Cool story brah...

This post was so ridiculous, it has to be sarcasm.

You act like “reschedule into a red eye”, FDP extension, Sit pay, move up, etc are things the pilot can implement to make money. Well it isn’t, those are pay triggers when the system royalty screws the pilot. It’s not “hanging there for the taking”. This is not “working the system”. Are you serious? Nobody says “man, I’m going to make some extra money this month...I’m going to get rescheduled into 2 red eyes, do a 14 hour day requiring a FDP extension, and have the company make me sit at the airport after a turn to make money at 50% after 2 hours. Nobody says that.

As far as X and Y list, those are the 2 money making opportunities and if the company is going to staff like they say they are, reserve numbers are doubling and that will mean less calls for X and Y. Spirit will always run a little lean so there will be opportunities, but not at the unprecedented levels this summer. If they do, they get fired.

"Fired."

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It depends. If you live in base QOL is mediocre on reserve. If you have a spouse or kids or something else that needs you to have flexibility then it sucks. No dropping or changing schedule once you get it. Also, I haven’t seen it mentioned-the PBS vendor we use doesn’t allow you to prioritize reserve periods, only days off. Which, depending on your circumstances can really suck. I don’t want to start reserve at 3:00am or 19:00 but you can’t choose that. It gives what it gives.
If you don’t care what days you’re available or what time you start then it’s not as bad. This summer guys worked about 80% of their days available I think. And it’s pretty easy to credit 80-90+ each month when it’s busy.
I think at most airlines reserve isn’t ideal. This contract is worse for reserves than before because you can’t change anything and you can’t bid what time you start. But with the rescheduling language ALPA agreed to line holders are pretty much on reserve too.

So pretty much what your saying is life sucks unless you live in base while on reserve. Even then you cant truly plan anything.

With reserve being a moving target, calendar wise, life could really suck the first year considering training pay and what your speaking too????

Unless you live in base, reserve QOL is awful. Then it's only terrible.

You either get your RAP or your days off, not both (hopefully maybe).

But it's okay, you're not on reserve forever! MEC sales sheet bullet point something something... it's in the notes something something.

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Name an airline anywhere that reserve doesn’t suck for a commuter. It’s part of the industry.

It didn’t used to suck here.....


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I bid 138 of 138 for September. I needed the weekend of the 12-14th off and got it.

Did people really think that gravy train was going to last forever?

Maybe if you didn’t have people abusing the system by checker boarding we’d still be able to drop.

What happens if you ask for all of your days off in a row? Has anyone tried this?

I can name some with significantly higher pay, benefits, profit sharing, blah, blah, blah.

Industry standard reserve without the industry standard compensation.

"Why don't you put your apps out?"
"I got mine. What's the problem?"
"Reserve is supposed to suck."

Feel free to add to the rebuttal list. I'm sure I'll find them fascinating.

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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I don’t think it sucks. I’m a commuter. It is what it is and won’t be forever


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How is dropping a reserve day that either, gives you a day off you need or, dropping a reserve day to prevent being assigned a 4 day trip you don't want ..... that is allowed by the contract, abusing the system. Couldn't ever figure that one out when I hear these statements.

The company signed the contract allowing you to drop single reserve days that showed green on the grid. It wasn't abusing the system. It was using the contract to benefit you.

You've got my vote for the negotiating committee.

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Which directly resulted in reserve dropping being taken out.

max days in a row of rsv = 6 i believe

While most of us understood that checkerboard drops would likely go away, what WE voted in goes far beyond that. There is no reason that an outside-in drop over green days shouldn't be allowed. Hell, even some of the most garbage management run regional contracts allow this. It's not like you can (or could) pick up anything over those drop days for gain. We massively sold out work rules for for a bump in pay.

And to those of you saying new spirit rsv isn't THAT bad: get back to us after 2 years of it.

Happiness is a state of mind. If it makes you feel better to complain, then continue. Hopefully it will change next contract


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I want you on the committee, too.

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Better not drop any trips in IOT.....

I’m already on it! [emoji33]


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Problem solved! Now get back to work.

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