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09-14-2019, 12:14 PM
#31
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If a reserve pilot is short called, they have three hours from the time of the notification. Occasionally there is an operational need for the flight to go out on time, or not be delayed further by a reserve pilot taking their “full 3”, so at their discretion scheduling can offer Move Up Pay, which is 1.5 hours per each duty period in the trip. However in accepting the pay, the pilot must be able to make the earlier report time.
The advantage for a reserve pilot is that this 1.5 hours (as much as 6 on a four day) goes “on top” of reserve guarantee.
So one poster here is saying if a reserve pilot were to say “no” to a move up pay assignment, and the company was desperate for the flight to go out, they could potentially call a line pilot on their day off and offer them premium pay (200%)
I guess his rationale being that collectively we should fleece the company for maximum dollars by sacrificing your individual opportunity to fly it for less money.. or maybe that new guys should learn to play ball and let senior guys make money because one day it will be their turn.. personally I would never begrudge any new hire from flying a reserve assignment for extra money.
In reality scheduling would probably call another reserve pilot who would gladly take the trip anyways, you have no way to know what their next move is.
The advantage for a reserve pilot is that this 1.5 hours (as much as 6 on a four day) goes “on top” of reserve guarantee.
So one poster here is saying if a reserve pilot were to say “no” to a move up pay assignment, and the company was desperate for the flight to go out, they could potentially call a line pilot on their day off and offer them premium pay (200%)
I guess his rationale being that collectively we should fleece the company for maximum dollars by sacrificing your individual opportunity to fly it for less money.. or maybe that new guys should learn to play ball and let senior guys make money because one day it will be their turn.. personally I would never begrudge any new hire from flying a reserve assignment for extra money.
In reality scheduling would probably call another reserve pilot who would gladly take the trip anyways, you have no way to know what their next move is.
09-14-2019, 12:56 PM
#32
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If a reserve pilot is short called, they have three hours from the time of the notification. Occasionally there is an operational need for the flight to go out on time, or not be delayed further by a reserve pilot taking their “full 3”, so at their discretion scheduling can offer Move Up Pay, which is 1.5 hours per each duty period in the trip. However in accepting the pay, the pilot must be able to make the earlier report time.
The advantage for a reserve pilot is that this 1.5 hours (as much as 6 on a four day) goes “on top” of reserve guarantee.
So one poster here is saying if a reserve pilot were to say “no” to a move up pay assignment, and the company was desperate for the flight to go out, they could potentially call a line pilot on their day off and offer them premium pay (200%)
I guess his rationale being that collectively we should fleece the company for maximum dollars by sacrificing your individual opportunity to fly it for less money.. or maybe that new guys should learn to play ball and let senior guys make money because one day it will be their turn.. personally I would never begrudge any new hire from flying a reserve assignment for extra money.
In reality scheduling would probably call another reserve pilot who would gladly take the trip anyways, you have no way to know what their next move is.
The advantage for a reserve pilot is that this 1.5 hours (as much as 6 on a four day) goes “on top” of reserve guarantee.
So one poster here is saying if a reserve pilot were to say “no” to a move up pay assignment, and the company was desperate for the flight to go out, they could potentially call a line pilot on their day off and offer them premium pay (200%)
I guess his rationale being that collectively we should fleece the company for maximum dollars by sacrificing your individual opportunity to fly it for less money.. or maybe that new guys should learn to play ball and let senior guys make money because one day it will be their turn.. personally I would never begrudge any new hire from flying a reserve assignment for extra money.
In reality scheduling would probably call another reserve pilot who would gladly take the trip anyways, you have no way to know what their next move is.
"Hi Reserve Pilot, can you make it here in 2 hours?"
"Sorry, ill require my full 3"
"Ok, ill hang up with you and process the Y list in order to try and find someone to pick up the phone and get here in....wait....thats right, Y list gets the full 3 hours report time too"
They will either pay the MUP or move to the next reserve pilot, which honestly would sound like a incorrect assignment. "Hi, we are tagging you with the trip because the junior guy with the same number of RAPs wants MUP and we wont pay it"
In the end 99.9999% of the time they will pay the MUP or delay the flight.
09-14-2019, 01:16 PM
#34
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If a reserve pilot is short called, they have three hours from the time of the notification. Occasionally there is an operational need for the flight to go out on time, or not be delayed further by a reserve pilot taking their “full 3”, so at their discretion scheduling can offer Move Up Pay, which is 1.5 hours per each duty period in the trip. However in accepting the pay, the pilot must be able to make the earlier report time.
The advantage for a reserve pilot is that this 1.5 hours (as much as 6 on a four day) goes “on top” of reserve guarantee.
So one poster here is saying if a reserve pilot were to say “no” to a move up pay assignment, and the company was desperate for the flight to go out, they could potentially call a line pilot on their day off and offer them premium pay (200%)
I guess his rationale being that collectively we should fleece the company for maximum dollars by sacrificing your individual opportunity to fly it for less money.. or maybe that new guys should learn to play ball and let senior guys make money because one day it will be their turn.. personally I would never begrudge any new hire from flying a reserve assignment for extra money.
In reality scheduling would probably call another reserve pilot who would gladly take the trip anyways, you have no way to know what their next move is.
The advantage for a reserve pilot is that this 1.5 hours (as much as 6 on a four day) goes “on top” of reserve guarantee.
So one poster here is saying if a reserve pilot were to say “no” to a move up pay assignment, and the company was desperate for the flight to go out, they could potentially call a line pilot on their day off and offer them premium pay (200%)
I guess his rationale being that collectively we should fleece the company for maximum dollars by sacrificing your individual opportunity to fly it for less money.. or maybe that new guys should learn to play ball and let senior guys make money because one day it will be their turn.. personally I would never begrudge any new hire from flying a reserve assignment for extra money.
In reality scheduling would probably call another reserve pilot who would gladly take the trip anyways, you have no way to know what their next move is.
09-14-2019, 01:58 PM
#36
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“Pilots may opt in to the Y List for any Spirit City for which they are able to report in three hours or less. ”
3 hours to report. Even better than the reserve 3 hours to depart. You want to rush early, that’s on you. But you have 3 if you answer the phone on a Y and they tag you without you having right of refusal, being a Y list
09-14-2019, 02:00 PM
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09-14-2019, 02:03 PM
#38
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What are you talking about? Read the union reads on this and the contract. If I list for Y list and they call and I pick up, I have 3 hours to report. IF can make it earlier, that’s on me. Just like they can’t say “oh you picked up, you have 45 minutes”
This is no different that reserve stating 3 hours to depart, but pilots will make best effort to get there ASAP.
They can’t Y list you can say you have to be there is less than 3.
This is no different that reserve stating 3 hours to depart, but pilots will make best effort to get there ASAP.
They can’t Y list you can say you have to be there is less than 3.
09-14-2019, 03:29 PM
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What are you talking about? Read the union reads on this and the contract. If I list for Y list and they call and I pick up, I have 3 hours to report. IF can make it earlier, that’s on me. Just like they can’t say “oh you picked up, you have 45 minutes”
This is no different that reserve stating 3 hours to depart, but pilots will make best effort to get there ASAP.
They can’t Y list you can say you have to be there is less than 3.
This is no different that reserve stating 3 hours to depart, but pilots will make best effort to get there ASAP.
They can’t Y list you can say you have to be there is less than 3.
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