With good news or bad?

I don’t believe they call if it’s bad.

Yup, pretty sure it’s an email If it’s bad. If you see Hollywood on your caller ID you can start celebrating.

Thanks for the responses

That's a good point.

Congrats to the new guys!

Email if no go from what I've heard. So good news! Was offered a class about 45 days out, and was called twice and asked to move up if able, accepted both. Class is on Monday. Anyone else here in the Sept 23rd class?

When did you interview?

Congrats and welcome!

I'm Nov 18 class anyone else?

Oct 28th here. A few from my class have been called and moved up to Oct 21st. I know someone who just got an offer for a November class, but I didn't get the exact date. Someone I interviewed with asked for a December class due to an availability issue and he said in our group chat they're giving that to him.

Hi there you interview when? I was Sept 5th

kind regards

Sept 5 for me too. Nov 11 class date.

Nov 11th class for me. I interviewed on September 5th as well

9/5 here as well. 11/4 class date. Congrats everyone

Who wants to play a game? It’s called who wants to be an Orlando captain....

Lol I had to laugh at this. Every time I see a Hollywood (954) area code call it’s always a d*mn telamarketer. Or I’ll get nervous and think a CP is calling to tell me I’m in trouble.

I interviewed last Thursday, the 19th. Got the call today, start class November 18th.

Congrats guys. Know your flows and memory items like you know your phone number and you’ll be set for success.

Not the final award, but December vacancy bid is showing people still in training being awarded every base but MCO. The majority are still FLL and ACY but nice to see other bases available to them.

This is mainly for the “how long to hold XXX” questions. Getting there and getting a line/upgrade are very different things.

Correction every base but MCO and DFW.
Looks like both MCO and DFW will go to July new hires. So about 4 months to hold them. Or 1.5 months since end of IOE.
Everything else even more junior.

How long from new hire to holding a commutable line in DFW?
How long to upgrade in DFW?
Thanks

Everything is in major flux right now due to the huge increase in hiring.

2012-2018 growth around 15%, 2019 almost no hiring, but still growing (meltdown), 2020 catch-up hiring, and forecast continued growth at 15%.
Bases are not very different for seniority, at least from my position. Not a lot of people leaving.
I would guess 50% as an FO, so 25% total would get you a good hard line: between 1-2 years.
Upgrade, count on doubling in size, so 5-6 years.
Could be faster or slower so FWIW.

Let me make sure I’m following you correctly. You’re saying I’d need to be in the top 25 percent of all pilots to hold a commutable line? Or top %25 as a captain?
Would it be safe to say I could be a commuter to a line in DFW FO 2 years, CA 5 years?

No, I gave numbers from the bottom up, sorry. From the top:
75% company wide should give you a good line as an FO, 50% upgrade, 25% good line as a captain.
Commutable line in 2 yes. If you mean upgrade in 5, yes, another year or 2 to hold a decent line as a captain.
Also this is free advice, and you get what you pay for...

Anyone forecasting how soon you'll upgrade, let alone upgrading in a particular domicile, is spit balling at best. Upgrade depends on way too many factors (growth, attrition, pilots bypassing, domicile expansion etc etc).
Reserve is usually 20%-30% of the domicile. Lately it's gone almost exclusively junior so it's been the bottom 20%-30% holding reserve.
If you come here with the "Need" to upgrade quickly or the expectation of major growth you're setting yourself up for disappointment (even with planes on order, nothing is guaranteed). However, if you're looking to join a great pilot group, flying a great airplane, working for a company with a very forward thinking business model, Spirit is a great choice.

I know things are just ramping up again but we have many already upgraded pilots who have been waiting a while to get back to DFW. Additionally we have senior FOs bypassing to avoid commuting and/or reserve. No growth (new flying) there. Every new city we announce seems to go everywhere but DFW.

I don’t “need” to upgrade at all, but I’d like to. Just comparing Spirit to some other places where the upgrade would take 10 years...
Actually I’d make more as a FO at Spirit than I’m making as a CA at my regional now.

What can you guys tell me about the contract and work rules? What does an average line look like? How many days off a month, and what is the commuter policy? Mostly 4 day work blocks or something else?

Sorry to bother with these questions. I don’t know anyone who works there, you’re my only resource! If there is a good place to look it up just let me know.

Reserve 6 on 4 off. Can’t drop/move days and you can’t pick up anything extra on reserve. We used to have much better reserve rules but the “this is better then my regional” mentality got those voted out.



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Can you at least trade with other reserves for a little schedule improvement?

Nope. The only thing you can do is drop one reserve day per 12 month calendar window using a vacation day. If it’s green.

Are you sure?

“Mutual trades involving LCR days or SCR periods must be for the same type of reserve duty (i.e., no LCR for SCR trades or vice versa allowed). However, an entire block of LCR days may be traded with an entire block of SCR periods, provided that the revised schedules do not conflict with the pilots' existing schedules. Mutual R day trades will be permitted from the “outside in” only. Mutual trades resulting in a single R day will not be allowed.”

You can drop a block of reserve days once a year using vacation. Not just one day.

You're full of wrong info today :p

That’s true but not in your first year unfortunately.

This is correct. Theoretically we could trade R days with each other. In practice the trade board is blank for R day trades.

Figured this might be the best place to ask.

I interview on October 25 and from reading previous replies on the forum it sounds like if all goes well I could receive a job offer 1-2 weeks after the interview with a class date 1-2 months out. That puts a class date right around Jan 2020. Is it possible to push the class date? And if so how far out does Spirit allow the class date to be pushed? A change in my plans means I won't be able to take a class date until Spring 2020 now, advice from you all would be appreciated. Push the interview? Interview then defer the class date? Or just talk to the recruiter before the interview and ask for their advice?

I’d interview and make sure I actually have the job before getting into class dates as not everyone gets offered the job. Once you get the phone call, I’d let SF know that a Spring class date would work best. But, just remember even though they are planning on running classes through 2020 that can change quickly.

Hard to say. During the interview, HR will directly ask you when your available start date is going to be. My advice is to share your plan changes during the interview. They are really nice, realistic and respectful people they have here in HR and I think being honest will be the best bet.

Seniority is everything. Deferring a few months could literally change your life for the worse. Maybe not, but if we are hiring a bunch during that time period it could be a huge deal. Something to think about.