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Old 09-30-2019, 10:56 AM   #1  
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Question for the Spirit gurus.

Reportedly, you guys can drop a days worth of flying and then make it up at 200%.

If that's how it rolls, not sure why anyone would fly at straight time.

Or is it only Extra days of flying in a month that pays at 200%?
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You have to be selected for the extra flying.

You are playing a betting game. You drop your trip and HOPE that they will call you on a day off for a trip to get paid at 200%. No guarantees that you will.
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Hereís the scenario you describe: you have a 4 day trip, and you wish to drop it to attempt to get premium pay instead.

First to drop said trip, there must be above minimum reserve coverage for each day of the trip (green). There is a grid which shows you if this is possible and what that minimum coverage is.

You then can place yourself on one or both of two lists to make yourself available for premium assignments. Y list for short call trips within 3 hours of callout, or X list for trips 3:01 and beyond.

Who gets called is a bit complicated, but basically based on credit, legality, conflict, etc. The idea being to spread the love around, but this can vary depending on the dayís circumstances. Itís impossible to predict who will volunteer, for how many days, and what conditions they will stipulate (base, trip type, report time, etc)

The other important thing to remember is the rolling 48 hour window inside which scheduling owns the flying. So you cannot drop a trip Tuesday hoping they call you for premium Monday, and if they donít try to pick your original trip back up again.

Clear as mud?
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And with a few exceptional days like hurricanes pretty much zero 200% from September til spring break.
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The other important thing to remember is the rolling 48 hour window inside which scheduling owns the flying. So you cannot drop a trip Tuesday hoping they call you for premium Monday, and if they donít try to pick your original trip back up again.

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Do you mean, you cannot on Monday, drop a trip that starts in the next 48 hours (Tuesday or Wednesday) even if the grid is green?

Say you drop a trip 50 hours ahead (is that ahead of showtime, or scheduled block out time, or what?), do you mean you can't pick it back up 3 hours later (now 47 hours to go)?

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Clara bro

Do you mean, you cannot on Monday, drop a trip that starts in the next 48 hours (Tuesday or Wednesday) even if the grid is green?

Say you drop a trip 50 hours ahead (is that ahead of showtime, or scheduled block out time, or what?), do you mean you can't pick it back up 3 hours later (now 47 hours to go)?

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It's a little more restrictive than just 48 hours. It's 2 calendar days based on noon EST
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It's a little more restrictive than just 48 hours. It's 2 calendar days based on noon EST
Exactly.

Itís funny how guys come on here and type and have ZERO idea of the contract we are flying under. Rolling 48 hours? Haha.
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It's a little more restrictive than just 48 hours. It's 2 calendar days based on noon EST
My previous questions need to be changed since it's not a rolling 48:

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Do you mean, you cannot on Monday, drop a trip that starts in the next 48 hours (Tuesday or Wednesday) even if the grid is green?

Say you drop a trip 50 hours ahead (is that ahead of showtime, or scheduled block out time, or what?), do you mean you can't pick it back up 3 hours later (now 47 hours to go)?
So let me rephrase my questions to reflect calendar days:

1) Right now, it's after Noon EST on Monday, so scheduling technically considers it to now be "Tuesday". 2 calendar days from now (which is Tuesday) pushes you into Thursday. Since it's within 2 calendar days, you cannot drop a trip that starts at any time on Thursday, even if the grid is green? Yes/No

2) Green grid, right now, can you drop a trip that starts Friday, up until Noon EST tomorrow? Yes/No

3) And if you did drop that trip, I assume it goes into some sort of "open time" system. Can only be picked up at 100% Yes/No

4) Once Noon EST passes tomorrow, scheduling now "owns" the Friday trip that was dropped, it cannot be picked up, and you are outta luck (if you wanted the trip back). Yes/No
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My previous questions need to be changed since it's not a rolling 48:



So let me rephrase my questions to reflect calendar days:

1) Right now, it's after Noon EST on Monday, so scheduling technically considers it to now be "Tuesday". 2 calendar days from now (which is Tuesday) pushes you into Thursday. Since it's within 2 calendar days, you cannot drop a trip that starts at any time on Thursday, even if the grid is green? Yes/No

2) Green grid, right now, can you drop a trip that starts Friday, up until Noon EST tomorrow? Yes/No

3) And if you did drop that trip, I assume it goes into some sort of "open time" system. Can only be picked up at 100% Yes/No

4) Once Noon EST passes tomorrow, scheduling now "owns" the Friday trip that was dropped, it cannot be picked up, and you are outta luck (if you wanted the trip back). Yes/No
Assuming you did the math right (too lazy to check, hence at NK):
1) Yes
2) Yes
3) Yes
4) Yes

As far as premium goes, if you have a weekday trip you have a better chance of dropping it, you will then be more available to be called the weekend prior for premium, if not, you might be in time to pick something up. Still only likely to work in the summer, xmas, 4th of July....
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I admit my errors, the 48 hour was memory of my previous company.

The premise is still the same, and the exact wording:

Daily open time pot shall until 1200 EST/EDT contain all known open flying and R days beyond the next calendar day.

Example: Daily Open time available for Wednesday and beyond will remain in open time until Monday at 12:00 EST/EDT.

So I suppose if you want to be accurate, itís not 2 full calendar days, but a 36 hour blackout from noon eastern to 00:01 the third day.
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