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CAirBear 10-17-2019 06:31 AM


Originally Posted by ASAPsafetyGUY (Post 2906770)
With increased hiring at the big three, are captains here moving to places like that? I doubt it but I thought I'd ask anyway.

This last month I moved up 8 spots. Could have been a retirement or two, but there are always going to be some (with a lot of years left) that make the move if they want to.

RemoveB4flght 10-17-2019 06:38 AM


Originally Posted by ASAPsafetyGUY (Post 2906770)
With increased hiring at the big three, are captains here moving to places like that? I doubt it but I thought I'd ask anyway.

It would be safe to say the average age of a Spirit captain is mid 40’s and 5-7 years seniority. If you’re a line holder and hit the top of the current pay scale while saving 30% (matching the company direct contribution) it would be tough to make a legacy jump pay off.

A younger FO frustrated in base or with dreams of wide body flying might, but with a relatively young pilot group I would make my career plan here based off growth not attrition

Omniscient 10-17-2019 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by CAirBear (Post 2906898)
This last month I moved up 8 spots. Could have been a retirement or two, but there are always going to be some (with a lot of years left) that make the move if they want to.

My guess is that they are FOs senior to you who left. I can see a 1 year FO leaving for a Legacy; as far as CAs with a few years in the seat, I honestly can’t remember the last time I heard one leave

SSlow 10-17-2019 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by RemoveB4flght (Post 2906905)
It would be safe to say the average age of a Spirit captain is mid 40’s and 5-7 years seniority. If you’re a line holder and hit the top of the current pay scale while saving 30% (matching the company direct contribution) it would be tough to make a legacy jump pay off.

A younger FO frustrated in base or with dreams of wide body flying might, but with a relatively young pilot group I would make my career plan here based off growth not attrition

Agreed. Some of us are looking at 30+ years in the left seat and if you're anywhere close to upgrading it doesn't make much sense to leave given the amount of money you can be socking away in long term investments at such a young age. I'm going to have a pretty sweet portfolio before age 40 that I wouldn't have if I left for a legacy right now. Jumping ship to a legacy over upgrading at NK is a tough sell unless you're commuting and want to live in base at a legacy.

symbian simian 10-17-2019 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by SSlow (Post 2907052)
Agreed. Some of us are looking at 30+ years in the left seat and if you're anywhere close to upgrading it doesn't make much sense to leave given the amount of money you can be socking away in long term investments at such a young age. I'm going to have a pretty sweet portfolio before age 40 that I wouldn't have if I left for a legacy right now. Jumping ship to a legacy over upgrading at NK is a tough sell unless you're commuting and want to live in base at a legacy.

Second year FO pay at UPS is more than 5 year captain pay here...

Judge Smails 10-17-2019 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 2907106)
Second year FO pay at UPS is more than 5 year captain pay here...

Is this one of those alternative facts?

SSlow 10-17-2019 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 2907106)
Second year FO pay at UPS is more than 5 year captain pay here...

I was referring to the legacy pax airlines to be more specific, but even at that APC is showing only 175 for second year FO at UPS :confused:

symbian simian 10-17-2019 10:26 AM


Originally Posted by Judge Smails (Post 2907115)
Is this one of those alternative facts?

Flying with a guy that’s waiting for a class at UPS, 81 hours guarantee, $190 per hour : $15,390
NK 72 hours, $206/hr : $14,832

Anyone staying here for the money is wrong.

symbian simian 10-17-2019 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by SSlow (Post 2907121)
I was referring to the legacy pax airlines to be more specific, but even at that APC is showing only 175 for second year FO at UPS :confused:

Old rates, $190 for year 2

Tranquility 10-17-2019 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 2907129)
Flying with a guy that’s waiting for a class at UPS, 81 hours guarantee, $190 per hour : $15,390
NK 72 hours, $206/hr : $14,832

Anyone staying here for the money is wrong.

Any reason why you chose to leave out the A321 override?


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