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Old 10-17-2019, 06:31 AM
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With increased hiring at the big three, are captains here moving to places like that? I doubt it but I thought I'd ask anyway.
This last month I moved up 8 spots. Could have been a retirement or two, but there are always going to be some (with a lot of years left) that make the move if they want to.
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Old 10-17-2019, 06:38 AM
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With increased hiring at the big three, are captains here moving to places like that? I doubt it but I thought I'd ask anyway.
It would be safe to say the average age of a Spirit captain is mid 40’s and 5-7 years seniority. If you’re a line holder and hit the top of the current pay scale while saving 30% (matching the company direct contribution) it would be tough to make a legacy jump pay off.

A younger FO frustrated in base or with dreams of wide body flying might, but with a relatively young pilot group I would make my career plan here based off growth not attrition
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Old 10-17-2019, 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by CAirBear View Post
This last month I moved up 8 spots. Could have been a retirement or two, but there are always going to be some (with a lot of years left) that make the move if they want to.
My guess is that they are FOs senior to you who left. I can see a 1 year FO leaving for a Legacy; as far as CAs with a few years in the seat, I honestly can’t remember the last time I heard one leave
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Old 10-17-2019, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by RemoveB4flght View Post
It would be safe to say the average age of a Spirit captain is mid 40’s and 5-7 years seniority. If you’re a line holder and hit the top of the current pay scale while saving 30% (matching the company direct contribution) it would be tough to make a legacy jump pay off.

A younger FO frustrated in base or with dreams of wide body flying might, but with a relatively young pilot group I would make my career plan here based off growth not attrition
Agreed. Some of us are looking at 30+ years in the left seat and if you're anywhere close to upgrading it doesn't make much sense to leave given the amount of money you can be socking away in long term investments at such a young age. I'm going to have a pretty sweet portfolio before age 40 that I wouldn't have if I left for a legacy right now. Jumping ship to a legacy over upgrading at NK is a tough sell unless you're commuting and want to live in base at a legacy.
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Old 10-17-2019, 10:03 AM
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Agreed. Some of us are looking at 30+ years in the left seat and if you're anywhere close to upgrading it doesn't make much sense to leave given the amount of money you can be socking away in long term investments at such a young age. I'm going to have a pretty sweet portfolio before age 40 that I wouldn't have if I left for a legacy right now. Jumping ship to a legacy over upgrading at NK is a tough sell unless you're commuting and want to live in base at a legacy.
Second year FO pay at UPS is more than 5 year captain pay here...
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Old 10-17-2019, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by symbian simian View Post
Second year FO pay at UPS is more than 5 year captain pay here...
Is this one of those alternative facts?
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Old 10-17-2019, 10:18 AM
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Second year FO pay at UPS is more than 5 year captain pay here...
I was referring to the legacy pax airlines to be more specific, but even at that APC is showing only 175 for second year FO at UPS
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Old 10-17-2019, 10:26 AM
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Is this one of those alternative facts?
Flying with a guy that’s waiting for a class at UPS, 81 hours guarantee, $190 per hour : $15,390
NK 72 hours, $206/hr : $14,832

Anyone staying here for the money is wrong.
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Old 10-17-2019, 10:27 AM
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I was referring to the legacy pax airlines to be more specific, but even at that APC is showing only 175 for second year FO at UPS
Old rates, $190 for year 2
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Old 10-17-2019, 10:31 AM
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Flying with a guy that’s waiting for a class at UPS, 81 hours guarantee, $190 per hour : $15,390
NK 72 hours, $206/hr : $14,832

Anyone staying here for the money is wrong.
Any reason why you chose to leave out the A321 override?
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