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Sniper66 10-21-2019 10:38 AM

Southwest is looking to buy an all Airbus
 
Maybe just maybe for
58 dollars per share on an all stock swap

Your thoughts ?

SkywardAZ 10-21-2019 11:27 AM

No United is buying us for our Florida Foot-print.....or maybe it was Delta....sorry every rumor seems to be us merging or being bought out.

flyjbh 10-21-2019 11:33 AM

Fedex... new pax angle. Also NASA


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FNGFO 10-21-2019 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by Sniper66 (Post 2909862)
Maybe just maybe for
58 dollars per share on an all stock swap

Your thoughts ?

I thought you said it was Delta last time.

David Puddy 10-21-2019 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by Sniper66 (Post 2909862)
Maybe just maybe for
58 dollars per share on an all stock swap

Your thoughts ?

What regulator would even contemplate allowing this type of merger between 2 of the remaining low cost carriers after recent consolidation (Alaska and Virgin America)? Not likely.

Sniper66 10-21-2019 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by FNGFO (Post 2909897)
I thought you said it was Delta last time.



They spend
2 billion at LATAM

Spirit is cheap now and a target

Judge Smails 10-21-2019 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by David Puddy (Post 2909908)
What regulator would even contemplate allowing this type of merger between 2 of the remaining low cost carriers after recent consolidation (Alaska and Virgin America)? Not likely.

An incompetent one...which means it’s likely.

Tmeister 10-21-2019 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by David Puddy (Post 2909908)
What regulator would even contemplate allowing this type of merger between 2 of the remaining low cost carriers after recent consolidation (Alaska and Virgin America)? Not likely.

Possibly the same one that approved Delta’s joint venture with Korean Air (in addition to the other JVs they enjoy with other partners). Delta also holds stakes in several of their international partners. I don’t think this is a good thing for consumers in terms of choice and fares, but the government didn’t oppose their most recent JV application. Delta is already the world’s largest airline by revenue and third largest (behind UA and AA) in available seat miles.

MCDUmanipulator 10-21-2019 03:49 PM

Guess nobody has told Miramar yet since they’re moving forward with the new HQ.

Deathwish 10-21-2019 04:14 PM

Can’t wait to get stapled to the bottom!

dutchroller 10-21-2019 04:54 PM

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Halon1211 10-21-2019 08:13 PM


Originally Posted by Deathwish (Post 2910045)
Can’t wait to get stapled to the bottom!

Stapled to the bottom? Doubt it. Allegheny-Mohawk should protect you.

ropestart 10-22-2019 05:26 AM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 2910175)
Stapled to the bottom? Doubt it. Allegheny-Mohawk should protect you.

Absolutely, I would fully expect the SWA screw job. I think it’s going to come down to Airplanes. Who cares about business models and overlap. SWA painted themselves into a nasty corner. New type of aircraft is the only option. Who the airline will be??? I don’t think anyone knows.

HeisenbergBlue 10-22-2019 06:03 AM


Originally Posted by ropestart (Post 2910266)
Absolutely, I would fully expect the SWA screw job. I think it’s going to come down to Airplanes. Who cares about business models and overlap. SWA painted themselves into a nasty corner. New type of aircraft is the only option. Who the airline will be??? I don’t think anyone knows.

F9 to the rescue SouthWest!! We will get stapled and **** on. Seems to be what we do!

ropestart 10-22-2019 06:07 AM


Originally Posted by HeisenbergBlue (Post 2910280)
F9 to the rescue SouthWest!! We will get stapled and **** on. Seems to be what we do!

Buddy, I hope not. You guys been through the ringer! I think NK/F9 would be a great fit and we take over the country😁

Sniper66 10-22-2019 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by ropestart (Post 2910281)
Buddy, I hope not. You guys been through the ringer! I think NK/F9 would be a great fit and we take over the country😁



Frankie left spirit with a bad taste in his mouth
I doubt it

HeisenbergBlue 10-22-2019 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by ropestart (Post 2910281)
Buddy, I hope not. You guys been through the ringer! I think NK/F9 would be a great fit and we take over the country😁

That merger would be crazy. You could go to any major Legacy hub and destroy them

WHACKMASTER 10-22-2019 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by HeisenbergBlue (Post 2910315)
That merger would be crazy. You could go to any major Legacy hub and destroy them

:rolleyes:

flyingpuma1 10-22-2019 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by HeisenbergBlue (Post 2910280)
F9 to the rescue SouthWest!! We will get stapled and **** on. Seems to be what we do!



You do realize that f9 would have been better off if they would have let swa buy them years ago instead of ending up with the crapshow that was republic. First rule of swa buying you is always take the first offer because they get worse from there. That being said I highly doubt swa is buying us.


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HeisenbergBlue 10-22-2019 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by flyingpuma1 (Post 2910397)
You do realize that f9 would have been better off if they would have let swa buy them years ago instead of ending up with the crapshow that was republic. First rule of swa buying you is always take the first offer because they get worse from there. That being said I highly doubt swa is buying us.


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If we hadn’t taken the offer and been bought by Southwest, Frontier wouldn’t exist anymore. Southwest didn’t want us to diversify their fleet they wanted to shut us down.

flyingpuma1 10-22-2019 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by HeisenbergBlue (Post 2910453)
If we hadn’t taken the offer and been bought by Southwest, Frontier wouldn’t exist anymore. Southwest didn’t want us to diversify their fleet they wanted to shut us down.



True they didn’t want your Airbus they wanted Denver. But I think this was after they bought ATA and after that debacle of buying them for gate space. Thanks to the Mccaskill Bond statue they can no longer buy an airline and let all the pilots go which was signed in 2007. Since swa tried to buy f9 circa 2009 the pilots would have still had a job (probably not a good integration) but probably still better then republic running them into the ground.


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Super EZ E 10-22-2019 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 2910175)
Stapled to the bottom? Doubt it. Allegheny-Mohawk should protect you.

Well, go look at SWAPA contract under merger. Ask any of your SWA buddies about merger language and you'll understand what happed to AirTran guys. It goes something like no SWA pilot can be harmed or upgrade delayed. So SWA could take the left seat of every bus we have. Bend over! :eek: The Max mess continues, the longer this goes don't be surprised when SWA makes a move on another Airline so they can end this mess.

Judge Smails 10-22-2019 06:00 PM


Originally Posted by Super EZ E (Post 2910744)
Well, go look at SWAPA contract under merger. Ask any of your SWA buddies about merger language and you'll understand what happed to AirTran guys. It goes something like no SWA pilot can be harmed or upgrade delayed. So SWA could take the left seat of every bus we have. Bend over! :eek: The Max mess continues, the longer this goes don't be surprised when SWA makes a move on another Airline so they can end this mess.

The Max mess will be long over with before any merger could be completed. The benefits of such a merger or acquisition would take some time to be realized as well.

I wouldn’t be too worried about one Wall St. analysts speculation.

FNGFO 10-22-2019 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by Judge Smails (Post 2910756)
The Max mess will be long over with before any merger could be completed. The benefits of such a merger or acquisition would take some time to be realized as well.

I wouldn’t be too worried about one Wall St. analysts speculation.

It wouldn’t be a “fill in the gap left by the grounded MAX’s” move. It would be a fleet diversification to limit the exposure to any future such issues move. With a dollop of picking off a competitor on top, and a few sprinkles of 321LXR that will do what a MAX10 cannot.

CLRtoPush 10-22-2019 06:31 PM

Spirit will place a large MAX order and trade our current, and future Airbus deliveries to Southwest in exchange for their MAXs. It’s a trick play. We diversify their fleet, while upgrading ours to a ‘proudly all Boeing’ sticker fleet!

elmetal 10-22-2019 06:31 PM


Originally Posted by Super EZ E (Post 2910744)
Well, go look at SWAPA contract under merger. Ask any of your SWA buddies about merger language and you'll understand what happed to AirTran guys. It goes something like no SWA pilot can be harmed or upgrade delayed. So SWA could take the left seat of every bus we have. Bend over! :eek: The Max mess continues, the longer this goes don't be surprised when SWA makes a move on another Airline so they can end this mess.

Can you quote me a page number or paragraph? I have their CBA open and I don't see what you're talking about.


I don't think it's ok to post their contract here but I have an entire paragraph literally labeled MERGERS and it mentions nothing about harming, or delaying upgrade at all.

flyjbh 10-22-2019 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by CLRtoPush (Post 2910782)
Spirit will place a large MAX order and trade our current, and future Airbus deliveries to Southwest in exchange for their MAXs. It’s a trick play. We diversify their fleet, while upgrading ours to a ‘proudly all Boeing’ sticker fleet!



So we want to be in swa shoes? You sound like a hedge fund manager selling Enron shares


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WHACKMASTER 10-22-2019 09:07 PM


Originally Posted by CLRtoPush (Post 2910782)
Spirit will place a large MAX order and trade our current, and future Airbus deliveries to Southwest in exchange for their MAXs. It’s a trick play. We diversify their fleet, while upgrading ours to a ‘proudly all Boeing’ sticker fleet!

Wow. I guess that’s one way to think about it :rolleyes:

Tmeister 10-22-2019 11:45 PM


Originally Posted by flyingpuma1 (Post 2910458)
True they didn’t want your Airbus they wanted Denver. But I think this was after they bought ATA and after that debacle of buying them for gate space. Thanks to the Mccaskill Bond statue they can no longer buy an airline and let all the pilots go which was signed in 2007. Since swa tried to buy f9 circa 2009 the pilots would have still had a job (probably not a good integration) but probably still better then republic running them into the ground.


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I don’t think Southwest purchased ATA. ATA filed for chapter 7 and after liquidating, WN bid for and purchased some of their assets (gates in MDW and slots at LGA). They did interview and hire a bunch of ATA folks across many departments, however.

flyingpuma1 10-23-2019 05:11 AM

Southwest is looking to buy an all Airbus
 

Originally Posted by Tmeister (Post 2910878)
I don’t think Southwest purchased ATA. ATA filed for chapter 7 and after liquidating, WN bid for and purchased some of their assets (gates in MDW and slots at LGA). They did interview and hire a bunch of ATA folks across many departments, however.



Thanks my memory on that was fuzzy they did buy them after bankruptcy and the stipulation was that it “doesn't include any aircraft, facilities or employees of ATA." I had a buddy that worked at ata and had an interview but I guess a number of ata guys they interviewed were let’s say “unpleasant” in the interview and so swa said no more ata guys. That parts all rumor from my buddy (so who actually knows) but he didn’t get hired.


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docav8tor 10-23-2019 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by FNGFO (Post 2910771)
It wouldn’t be a “fill in the gap left by the grounded MAX’s” move. It would be a fleet diversification to limit the exposure to any future such issues move. With a dollop of picking off a competitor on top, and a few sprinkles of 321LXR that will do what a MAX10 cannot.

^^^^this^^^^

YourMom 10-23-2019 02:59 PM

After today's announcement a lot of you are wrong! Way off! No Boeings. If it's a Boeing I'm not going!

Omniscient 10-24-2019 03:44 AM


Originally Posted by YourMom (Post 2911384)
After today's announcement a lot of you are wrong! Way off! No Boeings. If it's a Boeing I'm not going!

Sounds like someone deserves another shower stream surprise in the hotel.

MO4SHO 10-29-2019 07:20 PM

Never happen...DoJ will never allow it. Consumer protection laws will never allow it.

FNGFO 10-30-2019 02:26 AM


Originally Posted by MO4SHO (Post 2914760)
Never happen...DoJ will never allow it. Consumer protection laws will never allow it.

The Sprint/T Mobile merger suggests otherwise.

elmetal 10-30-2019 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by MO4SHO (Post 2914760)
Never happen...DoJ will never allow it. Consumer protection laws will never allow it.

A merger that would result in a 900airplane airline? If only they hadn't just approved AA/USAir/AmWest a few years ago.



They'll allow anything for the right money in their pockets don't kid yourself

beech_nut 10-30-2019 09:11 AM

They'll allow anything for the right money in their pockets don't kid yourself[/QUOTE]


Exactly.....

Aero1900 10-30-2019 01:43 PM

When was the last time the DOJ blocked a merger?

CLRtoPush 10-30-2019 07:28 PM

If folks at the tippy top project money will fill their pockets; they force those with approval stamps to pick them up and slam them down.

FLYBOYMATTHEW 10-30-2019 07:49 PM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 2915163)
When was the last time the DOJ blocked a merger?

July 2001, United/US Airways.


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