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KCJake 10-31-2019 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by 69fastback (Post 2915729)
Coming from a good corporate airplane, it’s going to take me several years to get back to where I’m at, and the first year paycut is a whole whole lot, but as you guys stated, you just have to suck it up and do it. We are going to live off savings, and I sold a few toys to fund the first year. In the end, I’ll get it all back and get it back relatively quickly.

I did the same thing. Took around a 60% pay cut just on base salary, not including total compensation with stocks. It’ll take a year or two to get back to where I was but the quality of life increase is way worth it.

RemoveB4flght 10-31-2019 11:24 AM

A friend of mine I helped get hired just went through this. Without divulging details about his life, he saw he could just barely make it on salary and eating into savings, but was worried about some unexpected things that may come up. We have the same bank and I suggested a home equity line of credit since they have good terms. Now he has access to a large sum of money if he really needs it, otherwise they just tighten their belts a bit.

There are always options if the juice is worth the squeeze.

Omniscient 10-31-2019 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by RemoveB4flght (Post 2915740)
A friend of mine I helped get hired just went through this. Without divulging details about his life, he saw he could just barely make it on salary and eating into savings, but was worried about some unexpected things that may come up. We have the same bank and I suggested a home equity line of credit since they have good terms. Now he has access to a large sum of money if he really needs it, otherwise they just tighten their belts a bit.

There are always options if the juice is worth the squeeze.

I figure I took an 80% cut first year...6 years later...the juice was so worth the squeeze

gringo 10-31-2019 11:39 AM


Originally Posted by Omniscient (Post 2915714)
You have to laugh when you have an RJ CA on your plane tell you “I would come to Spirit, but it’s too much of a drop for me in pay”. Meanwhile he is making $72/hr as an RJ CA.

Flew a trip with a nearly 30 year regional captain.

He told me he made more money his second year here than he did his last year at said regional.

As a commuting First Officer.

On reserve.

Whatever you guys are going to do, do it yesterday, because someone else just snagged your seniority number...

69fastback 10-31-2019 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by KCJake (Post 2915731)
I did the same thing. Took around a 60% pay cut just on base salary, not including total compensation with stocks. It’ll take a year or two to get back to where I was but the quality of life increase is way worth it.

Yep. My paycut is in excessive of $100K before my yearly profit sharing check from the current company. It’s going to be tough, but we will get through it.

Spectre186 10-31-2019 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by gringo (Post 2915710)
Way to miss the forest for the trees.

You’ll break $100k easy your second year and by year three, seeing you live in base and are willing to be flexible, you can easily be north of $150k.

I was also single income with kids. I ended up financing my first year mostly on credit. And that was on the old contract. I don’t think I made much more than $30k. In South Florida.

Yes it sucked, but long term it made sense.

That was 5 years ago. My income is now well north of $250k, double anything I would have dreamed of at my previous employer...

Your kids will survive For a year on Ramen and Mac n Cheese no problem. It’ll go by fast.

Great points Gringo. I was definitely a bit near sighted in that post. I appreciate the information, and did not realize how much I could be making at Spirit by year 3. I have never dreamed of making anything near 250k - a little pain for a year to have that 5 years down the road is completely worth it!

Cefiro 10-31-2019 12:33 PM

I’d assume most regional captains started when year 1 regional FO pay was around $20/hr. It’s not an excuse, but if you can survive that you can definitely make it through year 1 pay here.

bruhaha 10-31-2019 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by Spectre186 (Post 2915577)
I was really interested in Spirit, since I live in Las Vegas, but I’m single income with a family. There’s no way I could make 42k work for my first year!

I was a O4 over 10. When I transitioned from military (non pilot with a few hundred civilian flight hours) to airline pilot. I went from O4 over 10 pay plus $2200/month BAH and military retention bonuses to $18,000 first year as a regional airline FO and $32k 2d year as a 2d year regional airline captain. Was hard to do - the wife had to go back to work and newborn meant we qualified for food stamps for the first 6 years as a regional airline pilot family.

I didn’t break back to parity to what I earned in the military as an airline pilot until second year pay at Spirit (old contract at $72/hr as a 2d year FO) which happened 11 years after I left the military.

BeechedJet 10-31-2019 03:04 PM

Not to be one of those guys but I remember making only $38.50 1st year not too long and finding out a way to make it work. Was that money good enough? No but I made a plan to be able to afford that first year pay until the 2nd year boost. Pilots with family will have a hard time crunching the numbers but lets not act like its going back to the days of riding a bike in the rain to the airport because you can't afford a car.

Thrust Hold 10-31-2019 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 2915554)
Said it before and I’ll say it again, treating new guys (and gals) like cr@p with pay barely half (or less) of what most were making as a regional captain is NOT the way to build pilot group unity. Yeah, yeah, I know that it’s even worse at UPS. So what?

If you want quality future coworkers in these days of declining pilot availability, easing the transition to the big leagues needs to be a priority for every pilot group, not just for management. Even if it costs a little negotiating capital.

I believe the union response and therefore the voice of the pilot group (Yes Voters) was, “We don’t want to waste negotiating capital on guys/gals that aren’t on property.” :mad:

Just because that’s the way it’s always been, doesn’t mean that’s the way it always has to be. Opportunity for change missed.


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