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Chimpy 03-18-2020 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator (Post 3002855)
yeah. I’ve accepted the fact I’ll be furloughed. I just want something to come back to in 1,2,3,4 years whatever it is.

how Junior are you? I thought you’ve been here a few years

CAirBear 03-18-2020 01:36 PM

No one knows anything. I liked JM email today. Very detailed and matter of fact.

Here is a very good article for those that think we will never have any pax ever again. It’s already recovering in China.

COVID-19 Chinese Recovery Begins | Audries Aircraft Analysis


Until we’ve been told otherwise we are still running two more months of classes. I mean could we furlough? Sure, but if they truly know this is what is coming, then I see absolutely no benefit for the company to send them to training and the sim (which cost money).

It appears to me that we are trying to be one of the few airlines to be in a position to ramp up when demand returns. You need people around for that.

I certainly would have expected more then a 20% reduction in April if the numbers were that abysmal for us. Compared to JB we are looking okay. They slashed 40%. Not sure what F9 is going to be.

The bottom line is this. People are going to fly again. No one is going to drive 18 hours in cars to visit friends and family. People aren’t going to stop vacationing. Businesses are not going to stop meeting clients and attending conferences.

The demand is returning in China. There is no reason to expect the exact same thing is going to be happening here.

It has been 2 days and friends and family back home are already going stir crazy. There will be plenty of pent up demand when this is over.

MCDUmanipulator 03-18-2020 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by Chimpy (Post 3002925)
how Junior are you? I thought you’ve been here a few years

2100 range

Lear Driver 03-18-2020 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator (Post 3002997)
2100 range

Too soon? Sorry, saw it on a Delta thread and had to steal it. Hope we all squeak through with our jobs intact, and this is in the rear view mirror by Fall.
Attachment 5096

Qotsaautopilot 03-18-2020 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by CAirBear (Post 3002995)
No one knows anything. I liked JM email today. Very detailed and matter of fact.

Here is a very good article for those that think we will never have any pax ever again. It’s already recovering in China.

COVID-19 Chinese Recovery Begins | Audries Aircraft Analysis


Until we’ve been told otherwise we are still running two more months of classes. I mean could we furlough? Sure, but if they truly know this is what is coming, then I see absolutely no benefit for the company to send them to training and the sim (which cost money).

It appears to me that we are trying to be one of the few airlines to be in a position to ramp up when demand returns. You need people around for that.

I certainly would have expected more then a 20% reduction in April if the numbers were that abysmal for us. Compared to JB we are looking okay. They slashed 40%. Not sure what F9 is going to be.

The bottom line is this. People are going to fly again. No one is going to drive 18 hours in cars to visit friends and family. People aren’t going to stop vacationing. Businesses are not going to stop meeting clients and attending conferences.

The demand is returning in China. There is no reason to expect the exact same thing is going to be happening here.

It has been 2 days and friends and family back home are already going stir crazy. There will be plenty of pent up demand when this is over.

My wife is going nuts too in our small house. Problem is will folks heed the directives and stay home or a week from now give up

MCDUmanipulator 03-18-2020 02:27 PM

Had 108,155 on my red eye turn last night. Sure is a lot better then the reports I hear from the legacy’s with routinely less then 20 people on board.

CAirBear 03-18-2020 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator (Post 3003032)
Had 108,155 on my red eye turn last night. Sure is a lot better then the reports I hear from the legacy’s with routinely less then 20 people on board.

Just finished a 4 day. Only 1 flight less than 100. Had more no shows than usual, but that’s to be expected.

Again. They know the numbers. I would expect far more cuts than 20% if we were truly barely flying anyone.

It changes everyday, but in terms of pax loads it seems we aren’t nearly in as bad of a position as some of the Legacies, at the moment.

Silver02ex 03-18-2020 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by CAirBear (Post 3003036)
Just finished a 4 day. Only 1 flight less than 100. Had more no shows than usual, but that’s to be expected.

Again. They know the numbers. I would expect far more cuts than 20% if we were truly barely flying anyone.

It changes everyday, but in terms of pax loads it seems we aren’t nearly in as bad of a position as some of the Legacies, at the moment.

Based on Ted’s email, it seems we dropped the price to almost nothing. I’m sure that explain the higher loads compared to everyone else. I’m more curious of the burn rate of our cash.

Tranquility 03-18-2020 02:46 PM


Originally Posted by Silver02ex (Post 3003049)
Based on Ted’s email, it seems we dropped the price to almost nothing. I’m sure that explain the higher loads compared to everyone else. I’m more curious of the burn rate of our cash.

Remember, about half of our revenue is ancillary. If we can get bodies on board, they’ll pay for extras which helps our bottom line.

MCDUmanipulator 03-18-2020 02:58 PM

New bid package is out. ORD FO lost 6 more lines and AVL went from 82 to 73


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