where can we find details of this and how it can be used and if spirit will even be accepting it?

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https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/f...ulus-bill.html

After a little light reading it’s a lump sum of payroll and benefits from 4/1/2019 - 9/30/2019. Not necessarily 72hrs. It’s also total of all employees (and contractors I think) not just pilots obviously. So it would seem they could move the money around as they see fit to stretch it out. We also carry more employees now than we did during that period so the pay and benefits obligation is larger than it was last year save that there will be much lower line credit values now since we aren’t flying.

it looks like if they take loan money they cannot furlough more than 10% for a two year period.

I guess we don’t know a lot yet and if they will take any grants or loans. I also may be misreading a lot so I’ll defer to our pros at ALPA to interpret it correctly.

That's about the size of it .If the company says to the union that they are going to need to furlough X unless concessions are given, then that is roughly the number that will ultimately be furloughed after the concessions/voluntary measures have run their course. In this instance, the taxpayers are the initial voluntary measures being subsidized by 50 hour go away lines.

History will repeat once again so plan accordingly .

where did you get any of that? Also I think many of us learned in the lost decade that concessions don’t save jobs or the company. Those things will happen or not happen on their own.

Twenty plus years of doing this. Voluntary measures only delay .They never mitigate. The last two brand X's I worked for said they needed to furlough. After concessions and VMs they furloughed those exact numbers anyway .

Now, if the current mood is just to stave off a unforseen blip in the business, all is well . If one believes what UAL management is publicly saying, this is a long term problem with long term solutions then that will marry up to my above post .

Personally, I think we can ride it out short term and be back on track within six months .I hope that is the case . If not, bottom 25-50% of both sides of the list need to plan accordingly .

I talked about my experience in another thread on here. I got the virus and tested positive. I'm 28. I would be considered fit by a doctor. I spend my overnights working out and running. I have 0 underlying health conditions or any pre-existing things such as some sort of other illness. I always wiped everything down in the planes and washed my hands pretty religiously lately. For me, it started with the a slight runny nose followed by losing my sense of smell/taste. I got home from my trip and the chills/muscle aches and fever started. Lasted about 8 days. Cough developed shortly after that. On day 11 with a fever of 103 and shortness of breath I drove myself to the ER. Ended up in the hospital for 4 days. I needed oxygen, but luckily not a ventilator. Turns out I developed pneumonia from the virus. It really sucked. I'm still technically recovering now, but I'm out of the hospital and essentially symptom free. Just waiting the doctor recommended time period before going back into work. See you all halfway through April.

Glad you’re feeling better.


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Thanks for the update and glad you’re feeling better. Did they give you any indication that it might have remained fairly mild or no pneumonia if you had gone in to the ER earlier?

Glad to see you're upright again!

Unfortunately no. They said it was going to happen regardless of what I did. They didn't give me much in the hospital besides that chloroquine anti-malarial drug, but results on that are mixed if it even works. Also, my symptoms didn't warrant an ER visit until day 10ish. During the week it was pretty mild then got really bad in like 24 hours. I guess I was just unlucky in that regard to have developed pneumonia from it.

On the bright side you get to keep your sick days! The glass is half full!

Fill my glass to the brim with Corona please :D

Glad you're on the mend too.

So if you basically need to be admitted to actually get tested, and most health care providers say stay home and self quarantine if you think you have it, what would we send the company as validation of having it?

According to the mou a positive test.


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Talk to your rep first, or ask on an anonymous forum...

Just seems like a flawed burden of proof, that's all I mean.

Soooooo AA just pulled a bait n switch on their narrow body pilots be interesting what our mgnt does

wouldn’t be a good thing. 50hr line means we don’t need you. No 50hr line means we need you.

I don’t see it that way. AA has literally thousands of wide body pilots that can’t do anything. I mean, is AA going to keep a 777 up in the air with 4 pax in back going from JFK to LAX?

No, they’ll put a guppy or Fifi on that route. Heck, they’d put an Eclipse jet on that route if they had any.

They need more narrowbodies and less widebodies for the time being. Probably for a long time.

These are desperate times and they call for desperate measures. Not sure I can fault AA for that logic.

I dont keep up with Americans dealings. Whats the cliffnotes?

from someone on the American forum;

Management informed APA a few minutes ago that it unilaterally decided not to award any paid Voluntary Short Term Leaves of Absence (VSTLOA) or unpaid Voluntary Extended Leaves of Absence (VELOA) for any 737 or 320 bid status for the month of April. Management intends to award wide-body and the E-190 bid statuses for April with a new effective date of April 6, 2020, but has still not finalized those awards. This incomprehensible April Fool’s joke leaves us at a loss for words. We are meeting with management and will continue to provide updates.

Again maybe I need some clarity on the issue. To me the more pilots getting full pay the better.

They want to give only leaves to the higher paid widebodies probably

so what. I’d want the least amount as possible. It’s furlough mitigation

The gnashing of teeth is about the AA pilots forgoing grieving AAL messing with their April bid schedule in return for VLOA. AAL just yankee the VLOA and now the pilots can’t even grieve the bidding violations.

I was sincerely happy to leave the former AMR (now AAL) cluster**** for the Spirit ‘we sued you’ cluster****.... Yippee!!!! Where’s the booze thread??

Sorry to hear that...

Well at least they still have a job with full pay. There are a lot of people who cannot say that.

Yankee VLOA? Not aware of any issues with VPLOA

VSTLOA was all screwed up, much smaller numbers then original discussed. Mainly the f*ck up was with the 737 and 320 bids. Supposedly May VSTLO vacancy will make up for the shortfall.. 600 additional for 737 & 320.

As of April 1st pilots awarded..

VPLOA - 620
VSTLO- 1470 (1167 awarded 6 month)

Good luck to those who aren’t taking the VIL. It’s going to be really hard work out there starting the airline back up again.

I’m sure Menzies and swissport will have plenty of hired workers just waiting for us to start flying again.

I don’t the airline is going to “start back up” until August or September (hopefully), definitely not going to be May

Results are out, did every VIL get filled? Will be some interesting seniority for some budding next month.

Open time is showing trips parking aircraft in AFW, YIP, and LCQ over the next couple days.

I believe it went all the way down the seniority list for CAs in FLL, DFW, & ORD. Not sure if they managed to award as many as they offered in those bases or if they fell short.

Appears that although 88 lines were advertised in DFW only half were awarded.

Yikes. Not good

Wrong. 61 awarded.

Flica says 44 CA line awarded in DFW. Show me where I’m wrong. Counting is hard....

Go to Flica. View Bid Award. Start counting. I was wrong. 64. Get back to me after you count Chief.