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Originally Posted by NosirRe
(Post 3103850)
It's sad you actually believe this. Might wana brush up on some statistics classes.
The death rate is falling because we are testing more. In fact, in the end, the overall death rate for this virus will probably be pretty average as compared to other viruses. BUT, when you break down deaths into smaller sample sizes, for example groups of ages by say 0 to 10, 10 to 20 and so on.. you'll get a much more precise picture of how dangerous the virus is. We know by now that the death rate with Covid 19 increases as age increases. The death rate is substantially higher with older populations. This point/fact is extremely significant to the argument and if this virus and its media attention is worthy. The fact is, the attention and caution is whether you choose to believe it or not. When we hit 1 % of the US population infected, we had around 120K deaths. At 2% 240k, 3% 360k.. and so on.
Mask: They do work. They are not perfect but ANY augment against them is dripping in enough cognitive dissonance we could power a large city with it. Mask have been known to reduce the spread of bacterial and viral infection. We as a civilization have known this FACT for literally hundreds and hundreds of years. It's not a conspiracy to take down a President or take away anyone's liberties, its a mitigating tool and it works. Period. |
Originally Posted by putzin
(Post 3103380)
Whether it's covid or a coronary, you're still dead and the pain from loss is the same.
Almost 40 million are living and feeling the pain of being out of work. 150 thousand dead in the US is a drop in the bucket and most were already on track to die anyway. I do feel for those that died strictly from covid, that is a tragedy. It's time for the country to take precautions and open up, time to go back to living. #reality there has never been an effective mandate on precautions. Even now I see grown men and women who can’t be bothered to wear a mask. A simple mask. So this thing is going to go on for many months until an effective vaccine can be given to most of the country. And to think we had the best chance of getting through this better than any other country but we just had a person in charge who wasn’t up to the task. Sad. |
Originally Posted by Av viii
(Post 3103874)
thats just the problem isn’t it? We’ve got a clown and gang running the show who don’t care about precautions. There has never been a coherent plan. Not in the beginning. Not now. It’s always been up to the states. And in some, like Florida, the Governor punted to the counties.
there has never been an effective mandate on precautions. Even now I see grown men and women who can’t be bothered to wear a mask. A simple mask. So this thing is going to go on for many months until an effective vaccine can be given to most of the country. And to think we had the best chance of getting through this better than any other country but we just had a person in charge who wasn’t up to the task. Sad. |
Originally Posted by Av viii
(Post 3103874)
thats just the problem isn’t it? We’ve got a clown and gang running the show who don’t care about precautions. There has never been a coherent plan. Not in the beginning. Not now. It’s always been up to the states. And in some, like Florida, the Governor punted to the counties.
there has never been an effective mandate on precautions. Even now I see grown men and women who can’t be bothered to wear a mask. A simple mask. So this thing is going to go on for many months until an effective vaccine can be given to most of the country. And to think we had the best chance of getting through this better than any other country but we just had a person in charge who wasn’t up to the task. Sad. We need testing nationally that returns results in 24/48 hours. We need contact tracing. We need mask manufactured and supplied to Americans. Mask mandates. We should be seeing advertisements all over the TV, internet, radio, whatever media you choose, from out federal govt., talking about how to stop this. Get everyone on the same plan. Get infection numbers to a manageable number so we can identify clusters and shut them down before they spread further. Public confidence in their own safety and the response of the federal government is dropping and until that recovers, neither will the economy and in turn, our jobs. |
Originally Posted by ASAPsafetyGUY
(Post 3103876)
Ironically, those that vehemently deny masks most likely wont take a vaccine either.
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Originally Posted by ASAPsafetyGUY
(Post 3103876)
Ironically, those that vehemently deny masks most likely wont take a vaccine either.
What is really really really sad to me... is the acceptance of conspiracies in our culture. I get it though, when you are left with absolutely NO logical way to defend your position, the only thing that makes sense is a good, ol fasion, conspiracy. And it's currently killing any chance of attacking this crisis with any meaningful effort. |
Just thought of something kinda funny.
Think about all those times before COVID and you are briefing an FA and when you say it’s a full flight the FA rolls her eyes and lets out a loud “ugh”. now because of that lots of them are about to loose their jobs....how poetic. be careful what you wish for folks! |
Originally Posted by NosirRe
(Post 3103850)
It's sad you actually believe this. Might wana brush up on some statistics classes.
The death rate is falling because we are testing more. In fact, in the end, the overall death rate for this virus will probably be pretty average as compared to other viruses. BUT, when you break down deaths into smaller sample sizes, for example groups of ages by say 0 to 10, 10 to 20 and so on.. you'll get a much more precise picture of how dangerous the virus is. We know by now that the death rate with Covid 19 increases as age increases. The death rate is substantially higher with older populations. This point/fact is extremely significant to the argument and if this virus and its media attention is worthy. The fact is, the attention and caution is whether you choose to believe it or not. When we hit 1 % of the US population infected, we had around 120K deaths. At 2% 240k, 3% 360k.. and so on.
Mask: They do work. They are not perfect but ANY augment against them is dripping in enough cognitive dissonance we could power a large city with it. Mask have been known to reduce the spread of bacterial and viral infection. We as a civilization have known this FACT for literally hundreds and hundreds of years. It's not a conspiracy to take down a President or take away anyone's liberties, its a mitigating tool and it works. Period. |
Originally Posted by Macjet
(Post 3104016)
With an increasing mortality rate with age I wonder how many of the C19 victims would have died of other causes in the next 12 months without a C19 infection. Will we see an increase in the number of deaths or will we simply skew the numbers of deaths to the left and then see a dip before we return to normal post C19?
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Originally Posted by Macjet
(Post 3104016)
With an increasing mortality rate with age I wonder how many of the C19 victims would have died of other causes in the next 12 months without a C19 infection. Will we see an increase in the number of deaths or will we simply skew the numbers of deaths to the left and then see a dip before we return to normal post C19?
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