Why isn’t it? If you are in a category of being at risk for Covid 19, you have the choice of isolating yourself until a vaccine is available just like you have a choice of supersizing at Micky D’s. It’s a choice. I should be able to decide if I want to go to work. If you don’t like it, that’s your choice.
So basically you want to continue to have the entire economy shut down for people being at risk in nursing homes because the management of those facilities failed their clients? I’m sure outside of the managed care facilities, there are many with pre-existing conditions included in the deaths of Covid 19, but the vast majority of the working people of this economy will be ok. But if you want to stay in your safe space, I’m ok with that.

 

About 750K people normally die in the US each month.

The annual flu toll is approximately equal to the vietnam toll.

The annual highway carnage toll is approximately equal to the vietnam toll.

 

Actually, no. Infectious disease plays a part in heart disease deaths as well. Less now than before the development of antibiotics for the prevention of post streptococcal heart disease, but a not inconsiderable percentage even now.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/323855

https://www.myocarditisfoundation.or...f-myocarditis/

https://www.thelancet.com/article/S1...168-2/fulltext

 

Well said. Obesity/heart disease is one of risk factors for Covid related deaths as well. We live in one of the fattest countries in the world, with a McDonald’s at every corner. Dying from heart disease is always tomorrow’s problem so nobody cares.

Now if you’ll excuse me, my cheeseburger from Uber Eats has arrived, since I’m too scared to leave my house and burn calories to go get it myself.

 

The number that Covid-19 deaths are not being weighed against, and is harder to immediately quantify, is the number of lives being lost to suicide, opioid addiction, domestic violence and so on and so forth as people are financially ruined from the shutdown. There are a lot of us cruising along semi normally through this, but many, many people are being devastated.

If that hat number is even a tenth of a percent of the population then it dwarfs the Covid deaths by about a factor of 5. Opening things up will increase the former and decrease the latter. The idea is to have them meet at the L/Dmax point for minimum death moving forward. And that point isn’t to continue to shelter in place.

The coming freak outs of Covid cases and deaths on the rise as people start mixing again is to be expected. But only because a baseline cost benefit analysis with which to measure those deaths against isn’t being presented to the populace for consideration. One, because it’s not easy to quantify, and two, because sensationalism sells.

Yes, Covid deaths have exceeded Vietnam war deaths. If the death rate caused by the financial stresses of the shutdown is even one tenth of one percent of the population then we are rapidly approaching WW2 death tolls, and if it’s five hundredths of one percent then it’s still nearly three times the Corona virus lives lost.

Hence, it’s time to opens things up in a reasonable phased approach with the goal of having everything running full tilt again by perhaps late summer or early fall while the most at risk shelter as best they can until we have more tools available to help those suffering the worst effects of the infection.

 

I know we're not supposed to insult people....but where do these idiots come from?

Maybe you should research what happens when an economy crashes?

Wear a mask, try not to touch your face and wash your hands... Dip*hit.

 

Yes, and meanwhile over 33,000,000 are unemployed and still rapidly climbing, with no end in sight. All for a fraction of 1% of the population.

 

Is it October 1 yet?

 

Let the record show I’m not here to support either specific side of this argument (amazing how FOX and CNN can divide us over anything), but one could reasonably say that without all these measures (and unemployment), we wouldn’t be talking about “a fraction of 1%” of the population.

separately, we aren’t doing this for the <1% of the population (the percent that has been infected thus far), we’re doing it to protect our entire population. I mean it’s not rocket science to see that without the measures taken, hospitals would be drowning right now.

I want people to start flying and shopping again, too, I’m just not going to let a Republican or Democrat backed news outlet tell me what to think and who to hate over all this lol

 

They would have been drowning initially. They are now stocked up and have an ample logistics train to support them. And we have several avenues to treat those who are hospitalized, and a lot more experience with fighting this bug. Time to move on.