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CLE to IAH 05-19-2020 06:50 AM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3059544)
If you have diabetes and get run over by a bus, its the bus that killed you.

Arguing that we should only count 6 of those deaths in San Diego is incredibly disingenuous.

that’s apples to oranges. Having diabetes doesn’t exacerbate a bus. Making a comparison like that is disingenuous

having diabetes, obesity, heart disease, COPD etc is proven to exacerbate covid.

galleycafe 05-19-2020 07:18 AM


Originally Posted by CLE to IAH (Post 3059589)
that’s apples to oranges. Having diabetes doesn’t exacerbate a bus. Making a comparison like that is disingenuous

having diabetes, obesity, heart disease, COPD etc is proven to exacerbate covid.

You stop that rationality, now! This is a cauldron for panic, hysteria, and conspiracies ONLY!

Plane Coffee

Aero1900 05-19-2020 07:26 AM

Obviously preexisting conditions exacerbate covid.

Pretending that only 6 people died of Covid is just ridiculous. Go talk to the family member of someone who has died of Covid and tell them about your little theory.

Punkah Louvre 05-19-2020 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3059544)
If you have diabetes and get run over by a bus, its the bus that killed you.

Arguing that we should only count 6 of those deaths in San Diego is incredibly disingenuous.

There will never be a true consensus over how many people in the US have died of Covid. The reporting standards aren't strict or prescriptive enough and different organizations define cause of death in different ways.This is one of the downsides of a sprawling privatized and Balkanized heath care system.
'Excess deaths' will be telling. In18 months; the difference between statically expected deaths and absolute deaths will paint a clearer picture of the diseases true impact to society.
There is strong indication that Covid has been hastening the demise of the weak; and that will be reflected in excess deaths.
If less people die than expected in 6 months, because they we're 'cleared out' by covid, those numbers will be captured.
We'll likely see that Covid caused a huge number of 'early deaths', but the expected deaths won't be nearly as high.
Obviously; any 'early death' hastened by the disease is tragic, and any definition of 'early' is subjective, biology & statistics are science.

spirited 05-19-2020 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by Punkah Louvre (Post 3059666)
<snip> Obviously; any 'early death' hastened by the disease is tragic, and any definition of 'early' is subjective, biology & statistics are science.

NOT PC - skip this post if you need Politically correct statements

Not necessarily! I saw my mother die of complications from decades of diabetes. The last couple years were horrendous, and the last few months were in and out of ICUs. It was my own mother - and if she had died of Corona - I would have been livid - because I was emotionally vested. However, rationally, looking back, hindsight, Monday morning etc. - It may have been a kinder outcome.

galleycafe 05-19-2020 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3059635)
Obviously preexisting conditions exacerbate covid.

Pretending that only 6 people died of Covid is just ridiculous. Go talk to the family member of someone who has died of Covid and tell them about your little theory.


Did they all get hit by a bus?

Plane Coffee

Excargodog 05-19-2020 09:13 AM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3059544)
If you have diabetes and get run over by a bus, its the bus that killed you.

Arguing that we should only count 6 of those deaths in San Diego is incredibly disingenuous.

On the other hand, if someone had stage four pancreatic cancer with liver, lung, and brain metastases , and caught a cold and died, blaming it on the cold wouldn’t exactly be reasonable either.

Out of 333 million Americans there are an awful lot that are walking around with one foot in the grave and the other on a cake of soap. No possible societal actions we could do can keep these people alive very long.

ShyGuy 05-19-2020 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by Punkah Louvre (Post 3059666)
There will never be a true consensus over how many people in the US have died of Covid. The reporting standards aren't strict or prescriptive enough and different organizations define cause of death in different ways.This is one of the downsides of a sprawling privatized and Balkanized heath care system.
'Excess deaths' will be telling. In18 months; the difference between statically expected deaths and absolute deaths will paint a clearer picture of the diseases true impact to society.
There is strong indication that Covid has been hastening the demise of the weak; and that will be reflected in excess deaths.
If less people die than expected in 6 months, because they we're 'cleared out' by covid, those numbers will be captured.
We'll likely see that Covid caused a huge number of 'early deaths', but the expected deaths won't be nearly as high.
Obviously; any 'early death' hastened by the disease is tragic, and any definition of 'early' is subjective, biology & statistics are science.

I fully expect that if Biden wins Nov 3rd, the media will change the way they cover Covid19. And even moreso after inauguration.

Punkah Louvre 05-19-2020 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by spirited (Post 3059712)
NOT PC - skip this post if you need Politically correct statements

Not necessarily! I saw my mother die of complications from decades of diabetes. The last couple years were horrendous, and the last few months were in and out of ICUs. It was my own mother - and if she had died of Corona - I would have been livid - because I was emotionally vested. However, rationally, looking back, hindsight, Monday morning etc. - It may have been a kinder outcome.

I'm sorry for the difficult time both of you clearly had. Frankly your experience goes towards a voluntary death option. But I'm European we have that discussion in public.... I certainly wound want suffer like that..

flyingpuma1 05-19-2020 04:38 PM

Everyone’s so worried about deciding who died of covid that you missed the good news. We’re going to be running 80 flights a day now instead of 50! For those bad at math we need to be running around 375 a day to just “only” furlough half our pilots come October.


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