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Mtnbikemike 07-04-2020 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by Silver02ex (Post 3086121)
Reducing ALV by working less and getting paid is unacceptable to some. However, they can drop an unproductive trip in IOT. So they can work less and get paid less, and the trip gets assigned to a reserve later on, that’s acceptable.

That’s called seniority.

Qotsaautopilot 07-04-2020 09:04 PM


Originally Posted by Tranquility (Post 3086129)
Regardless of one’s viewpoint, it better go to the pilot group for a vote and not unilaterally imposed. We’ve already been down that road of a MEC chairman making decisions for the whole group and that didn’t go over very well....

Still waiting for my quid....

I’m more wary of the precedent it sets, especially with this company. Give them an inch, they’ll want another mile. We lower ALV, they say okay that’ll protect 200, but if you pause DOS+3/4 that’ll protect more..... You see where I’m going???

I agree with you 100%

Although, reducing ALV isn’t really giving anything as we don’t have a min ALV in our contract. It’s based on historical averages. We do have a max precisely because they would want to make it as high as possible in a normal market. High ALV mean less days off and less pilots doing the same flying.

I don’t know the specifics of JetBlues line construction language or the LOA so I can’t speak to that.

I think VOLUNTARY programs like the VILs are a good place to start.

My understanding is southwest offered something like 50hrs or pay per month on their trips for pay scale for “up to” FIVE YEARS with health care and retirement contribution. Also if you are over 55 years old you could take an early out which was something like 60hrs per month until age 65 with health care. From a company that has never had a furlough but also single fleet like us.

Make the offer good enough and plenty of folks will volunteer. Heck long term VIL with retirement contribution and health care removes a lot of risk to take extended family time, start a business you never had time too before or couldn’t take the risk of quitting flying, or just catch up on living life. YOLO!

oh and still waiting on my quid

korg128 07-05-2020 04:00 AM


Originally Posted by Mtnbikemike (Post 3086148)
That’s called seniority.

Can you just give me your last name so I can call in sick if I'm paired with you.

Mtnbikemike 07-05-2020 06:21 AM


Originally Posted by korg128 (Post 3086276)
Can you just give me your last name so I can call in sick if I'm paired with you.

I know seniority is a hard thing to grasp for the I need to have it now, millennial mindset generation. I know it’s hard to hear the truth and not get a participation trophy. But I’m actually a decent guy to fly with. I don’t flight instruct. I let you learn doing it your way and do what works for you. I usually pick up the tab the entire trip for all first year guys that don’t act entitled. I’d also be the first to take an early out to let you have your piece of the pie. 30 years as a commercial pilot is starting to lose it’s charm.
JetBlue might have been a better choice for you?

Sheg0theD 07-05-2020 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by Mtnbikemike (Post 3086323)
I know seniority is a hard thing to grasp for the I need to have it now, millennial mindset generation. I know it’s hard to hear the truth and not get a participation trophy. But I’m actually a decent guy to fly with. I don’t flight instruct. I let you learn doing it your way and do what works for you. I usually pick up the tab the entire trip for all first year guys that don’t act entitled. I’d also be the first to take an early out to let you have your piece of the pie. 30 years as a commercial pilot is starting to lose it’s charm.

JetBlue might have been a better choice for you?



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Mtnbikemike 07-05-2020 07:19 AM


Originally Posted by Sheg0theD (Post 3086326)
[emoji122] elegant response!


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I can also add that my name didn’t even make it on the anti social behavior Capt’s list. So at least I have that going for me!

MainlineorSuici 07-05-2020 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by Mtnbikemike (Post 3086323)
I know seniority is a hard thing to grasp for the I need to have it now, millennial mindset generation. I know it’s hard to hear the truth and not get a participation trophy. But I’m actually a decent guy to fly with. I don’t flight instruct. I let you learn doing it your way and do what works for you. I usually pick up the tab the entire trip for all first year guys that don’t act entitled...
JetBlue might have been a better choice for you?


after reading this post I also want to be able to call in sick for this guy

Mtnbikemike 07-05-2020 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by MainlineorSuici (Post 3086353)
after reading this post I also want to be able to call in sick for this guy

Don’t worry, I retire in a few years. Then you can be the guy no one wants to fly with. 😁

week 07-05-2020 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by Mtnbikemike (Post 3086361)
Don’t worry, I retire in a few years. Then you can be the guy no one wants to fly with. 😁

it’s like they say...

you either die young, or live long enough to see yourself become the boomer

doublebed 07-05-2020 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by Mtnbikemike (Post 3086323)
I know seniority is a hard thing to grasp for the I need to have it now, millennial mindset generation. I know it’s hard to hear the truth and not get a participation trophy. But I’m actually a decent guy to fly with. I don’t flight instruct. I let you learn doing it your way and do what works for you. I usually pick up the tab the entire trip for all first year guys that don’t act entitled. I’d also be the first to take an early out to let you have your piece of the pie. 30 years as a commercial pilot is starting to lose it’s charm.
JetBlue might have been a better choice for you?

This is like the guys who feel the need to mention that they are “laid back” in the briefing. It’s just isn’t so.

And I doubt anyone at Spirit is just now figuring out how seniority works although this place has more qualities of a regional airline than I care to admit.


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