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07-08-2020 | 07:50 AM
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Quote: On the town halls whenever someone brings up a scenario of us growing or gaining market share or taking advantage of the situation or anything of that nature, leadership guys sort of giggle like, “Oh, you pilots are so naive and cute” and reiterate that we are in survival mode and will be lucky to stop the hemorrhaging.
If only these cockpit CEOs could run the show, then we’d have nothing to worry about.
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07-08-2020 | 07:52 AM
  #32  
Quote: On the town halls whenever someone brings up a scenario of us growing or gaining market share or taking advantage of the situation or anything of that nature, leadership guys sort of giggle like, “Oh, you pilots are so naive and cute” and reiterate that we are in survival mode and will be lucky to stop the hemorrhaging.

It’s entertaining thinking that a lot of us here think we are somehow different, immune or just wishful thinking to our position in this industry.
I’m sure this will trigger everyone again!
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07-08-2020 | 08:18 AM
  #33  
Quote: Yeah, I’m not sure Spirit has the cash to gamble. At this point they’re still in survival mode.
^^^^^^^^^This.
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07-08-2020 | 08:36 AM
  #34  
Quote: ^^^^^^^^^This.
The old saying was when got hired at a major.....
First year, live like you were at a commuter
As an FO, live like you were an FE
As a captain, live like you were an FO and you would always be prepared for a furlough or downgrade.
Probably doesn’t work nowadays for the need to have it all now generation.
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07-08-2020 | 09:01 AM
  #35  
Quote: The old saying was when got hired at a major.....
First year, live like you were at a commuter
As an FO, live like you were an FE
As a captain, live like you were an FO and you would always be prepared for a furlough or downgrade.
Probably doesn’t work nowadays for the need to have it all now generation.
Well then, you've been around long enough to know that opinions are like assh*les, everbody has one.

To think any us have the answers to this unprecedented, day to day crisis is ludicrous. But by all means, you continue to tell those about to possibly hit the the street, you told them so.
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07-08-2020 | 09:18 AM
  #36  
Quote: The old saying was when got hired at a major.....
First year, live like you were at a commuter
As an FO, live like you were an FE
As a captain, live like you were an FO and you would always be prepared for a furlough or downgrade.
Probably doesn’t work nowadays for the need to have it all now generation.
Nope it still works, but in general I think you are correct if you are referring to the younger millennials or those outside of aviation. However, many of us came into this industry during the last big recession/age 65 debacle and we spent our 20s broke as a joke. I averaged less than 30k a year from finishing flight school at age 22 until I came off of first year pay at NK nearly 10 year later. That is what my dad made back in the 80s sans any adjustment for inflation.
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07-08-2020 | 09:35 AM
  #37  
Quote: The old saying was when got hired at a major.....
First year, live like you were at a commuter
As an FO, live like you were an FE
As a captain, live like you were an FO and you would always be prepared for a furlough or downgrade.
Probably doesn’t work nowadays for the need to have it all now generation.

I had a CA tell me I didn’t have a real aviation career until I was furloughed three times. So far been furloughed once (9/11) maybe downgrading here soon. I’m not so concerned about a furlough here as I am about the company going under, if I get furloughed it’s fine I have a place to come back to, the company going under is another issue entirely.
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07-08-2020 | 10:05 AM
  #38  
Quote: On the town halls whenever someone brings up a scenario of us growing or gaining market share or taking advantage of the situation or anything of that nature, leadership guys sort of giggle like, “Oh, you pilots are so naive and cute” and reiterate that we are in survival mode and will be lucky to stop the hemorrhaging.
https://thepointsguy.com/news/spirit...tpg-interview/

The difference between what they are saying and what they are thinking. Surprisingly, WN management let the cat out of the bag.
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07-08-2020 | 11:25 AM
  #39  
Quote: https://thepointsguy.com/news/spirit...tpg-interview/

The difference between what they are saying and what they are thinking. Surprisingly, WN management let the cat out of the bag.
That article was published before infection numbers started to increase and states began shutting down again.
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07-08-2020 | 11:43 AM
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Quote: That article was published before infection numbers started to increase and states began shutting down again.
Situations can always change. The INTENT to emerge relatively stronger than the competitors doesn’t.

It’s called free market Capitalism.
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