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FNGFO 10-18-2020 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 3146653)
If a city pair had five flights a day and now it has three and the other two flights are represented by airplanes parked and sitting idle would it be profitable? My guess is not even with those three flights full. Those three full flights have depressed pricing and your capacity is down to 60% on this city pair from pre-Covid which would be incredibly optimistic these days. This is what I see on our very best routes. Factor in the city pairs that aren’t as good across the airline and I don’t see any way we could be profitable in the 3rd quarter.

This also feels a bit like June where traffic was way up and then the surge in cases hit the news and bookings took a nose dive. We will have to wait a couple weeks to see how today’s scary Covid news affects bookings. I don’t think it’s going to be good.

Eventually the wolf cry of “surging Covid cases” is going to be ignored as people figure out that increasing case counts don’t correlate proportionally to increased body counts. And people will travel in great numbers regardless.

CAirBear 10-18-2020 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by FNGFO (Post 3146791)
Eventually the wolf cry of “surging Covid cases” is going to be ignored as people figure out that increasing case counts don’t correlate proportionally to increased body counts. And people will travel in great numbers regardless.

Bingo. You are already seeing it. Consistently a 2% increase of Pax counts, week over week, for the last 6 weeks or more. Both Fri/Suns are now consistently in the 900s. 1 million is going to be achieved before Thanksgiving.

News of rising cases started well over a month ago. People don’t care anymore and it’s showing.

MCDUmanipulator 10-18-2020 01:54 PM

Pretty sure the majority if not all the planes are that parked currently are 319’s. Which are paid for. So only cost to park them is whatever mx needs to still be done and parking fees. I worked 8 of the last 9 days and never saw a load below 130pax and average was probably about 170.

CincoDeMayo 10-18-2020 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator (Post 3146828)
Pretty sure the majority if not all the planes are that parked currently are 319’s. Which are paid for. So only cost to park them is whatever mx needs to still be done and parking fees. I worked 8 of the last 9 days and never saw a load below 130pax and average was probably about 170.

8 out of the last 9 days? Jesus man, you aren’t at a regional any longer.

Qotsaautopilot 10-18-2020 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by FNGFO (Post 3146791)
Eventually the wolf cry of “surging Covid cases” is going to be ignored as people figure out that increasing case counts don’t correlate proportionally to increased body counts. And people will travel in great numbers regardless.

gosh I hope so

king10pin02 10-19-2020 05:16 AM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3146863)
8 out of the last 9 days? Jesus man, you aren’t at a regional any longer.

no but he can work,4 on 1 off 4 on then have 10+ days off in a row.....

FNGFO 10-19-2020 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 3146926)
gosh I hope so

No hope required. It’s happening now, and is basic human nature.

319wisperer 10-19-2020 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by FNGFO (Post 3147053)
No hope required. It’s happening now, and is basic human nature.

A bit more than human nature, but yes, I’m sure human nature and lockdown/quarantine/mask/Covid fatigue is playing into it.

But there is more to it:

This video shot in Italy pretty much explains why the current surge is far different (far more benign) than the first surge that severely crippled Italy. It basically surmises that due to the widespread availability of testing now vs. the spring, the case count is much higher though many of those positive cases are in people with very mild symptoms or are asymptomatic.

During the first wave, there were only enough test kits to test the very sick. So therefore, in the early days of Covid, a high amount of cases meant a high amount of icu patients and deaths. With this surge, that is no longer the case.

I think the same holds true here. In the first days of the pandemic, there was no chance of getting a test unless you were violently ill. Now there are 3 testing facilities within 3 miles of my house where I can have results within 24 hours.

The video is from CNN, so before anyone gets triggered, I guarantee that it’s not agenda based, liberal, “fake news”, whatever you want call it. Just a good 2 minute watch.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/202...tl-ldn-vpx.cnn

CincoDeMayo 10-19-2020 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by king10pin02 (Post 3147035)
no but he can work,4 on 1 off 4 on then have 10+ days off in a row.....

Yes, its math...FAs do it too..."Im working 17 days straight so I can non rev to Turkey with 3 FA friends of mine"

Slowhawk 10-19-2020 08:43 AM

TSA reporting over 1M pax screened yesterday for the first time since Rona hit


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