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Old 10-23-2020 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Nobody said it would be fun but two ALPA carriers with very similar wages and flying pretty much the same equipment... tHat doesn’t seem all that bad. Take the best of the work rules from each group.

the hard part would be the paint job. A fleet of green airplanes maybe? Not Shrek green but maybe a little darker. To appeal to the environmentally sensitive folks?
The hardest is, and always has been, SLI (Seniority List Integration). I only half kid.
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Old 10-23-2020 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
The hardest is, and always has been, SLI (Seniority List Integration). I only half kid.
clearly, there will be *****ing in ANY SLI, but these two pilot groups and their pay schedules, seniority levels, etc, definitely seem less mismatched than most mergers. And if the economies of scale lead to enough growth, everybody might come out ahead. And admit it, the A321 NEO XLRs are tempting...
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Old 10-23-2020 | 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Nobody said it would be fun but two ALPA carriers with very similar wages and flying pretty much the same equipment... tHat doesn’t seem all that bad. Take the best of the work rules from each group.

the hard part would be the paint job. A fleet of green airplanes maybe? Not Shrek green but maybe a little darker. To appeal to the environmentally sensitive folks?
It’s definitely not as easy as just “take the best work rules..”
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Old 10-23-2020 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ElCaribe
It’s definitely not as easy as just “take the best work rules..”
Nah, I’m pretty positive that’s how it works....
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Old 10-24-2020 | 06:31 AM
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Nah, I’m pretty positive that’s how it works....
That's not how it works. The union tries to cherrypick the best parts, and management tries to cherrypick the worst parts. Both sides dig in and it gets ugly. Then they get the pilot groups fighting with each other and it all goes sideways. Ask me why I know.
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Old 10-24-2020 | 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Nobody said it would be fun but two ALPA carriers with very similar wages and flying pretty much the same equipment... tHat doesn’t seem all that bad. Take the best of the work rules from each group.

the hard part would be the paint job. A fleet of green airplanes maybe? Not Shrek green but maybe a little darker. To appeal to the environmentally sensitive folks?
LoL ...... touché 👊🏻
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Old 10-24-2020 | 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
That's not how it works. The union tries to cherrypick the best parts, and management tries to cherrypick the worst parts. Both sides dig in and it gets ugly. Then they get the pilot groups fighting with each other and it all goes sideways. Ask me why I know.
Sigh. Humor is a thing. I wasn’t serious.
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Old 10-24-2020 | 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by FNGFO
Sigh. Humor is a thing. I wasn’t serious.
yeah, me neither. Except about the XLRs. And not wanting Shrek green...
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Old 10-24-2020 | 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
yeah, me neither. Except about the XLRs. And not wanting Shrek green...
A double secret pm from a poster we’ll refer to as nolaH suggested that yellow and blue make green.

You heard it here first. All your potatoes are belong to us. And your pax too.
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Old 10-24-2020 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by singlepilot
Would a merger induce headaches for us absolutely
Look at the long term gains though.
A 400-500 airplane ULCC monster that would have the absolute lowest CASM in the industry and probably some of the highest profit margins.
The negotiating power of 6-7000 pilots also couldn’t hurt.
I for one would happily set aside a few years of QOL and seniority for the longer term security and viability of the power house the two airlines would become.
Thats just me though, and after all we know most (not all) pilots seem to be selfish and shortsighted.
Is funny that you think that the end result would be frontier + spirit = the sum of their parts. You would not end up with that. You would end up with prob 3/4 of that. Everywhere there is overlay there would be trimming. Pilots would be furloughed. Routes would be lost. The End result would be a bigger airline but not anywhere near as big as the sum of the two separate airlines. Mergers are meant to increase profits not employees.
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