A Frontier Merger is coming!
 

Just got another clue from the merger gods that it will happen and will be with Frontier.

we are going to now have identical Elite status with Frontier’s reward program.

even The Points Guy thinks it fishy...

“...That’s the exact same amount of spending it takes to unlock competitor Frontier Airlines’ first and second tiers of elite status with its cobranded credit card. Coincidence?“

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/thepointsguy.com/guide/new-spirit-airlines-free-spirit-program/amp/



Don’t forget that Frontiers DOS for pay raises is the exact anniversary date as our even though they signed on a completely different day.

I hear the animals calling.

Well if F9 has to merge I would be happy if it’s Spirit. One big pain in the ass for the big 4 Ual Amr dal and SWA.

Only benefit of a merger with them would be a Denver base, which I’d likely be too junior to hold with my current qol.... :(

Please god no

...or they got tired of shelling out lots of miles on $20 transcon fares and decided to copy what Frontier was doing to keep the loyalty program costs from getting out of control.

sounds like they were getting enough takers from what from I understand.

Borrowing from other carriers is the Spirit way.

https://i.ibb.co/rZzHsXp/4-BECC9-F9-...92-D0566-C.jpg

Like aligning rewards programs is high on the priority list for pre-merger talks. You guys are funny. Mergers are primarily about financials. Operational alignment is a factor but certainly isn't executed until the financial deal is done and everyone knows about it.

Stop and consider that the OP wasn’t remotely serious.

Apparently F9s second large order starting in 2022 will be Pratt powered NEOs. So that will squash the “we have different engines” nay sayers.

F9 guy here. That may be true, from what I’ve heard, but it may not be. There have been some very large issues with the Leap 1a engines as far as longevity is concerned that have perhaps soured the relationship with GE. Lots of overhauls and engine replacements long before advertised time.

pratts have had tons of issues..regardless i see zero chance of a merger until 3-5 years after f9 gets their ipo done

Is a publicly held company not able to buy a private company? I don’t get why people make that argument.

indigo makes its money by doing the ipo, propping up the stock price, then selling. exactly what they did with spirit.

Indeed, as Halon says, selling the private co to a public entity is a valid VC exit, with lower overall cost than launching an IPO.

Then come the logistics - seniority list mergers and contract negs.... ughhhh

Would a merger induce headaches for us absolutely
Look at the long term gains though.
A 400-500 airplane ULCC monster that would have the absolute lowest CASM in the industry and probably some of the highest profit margins.
The negotiating power of 6-7000 pilots also couldn’t hurt.
I for one would happily set aside a few years of QOL and seniority for the longer term security and viability of the power house the two airlines would become.
Thats just me though, and after all we know most (not all) pilots seem to be selfish and shortsighted.

agreed
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Care what you wish for......... mergers ain’t fun ☠️

Nobody said it would be fun but two ALPA carriers with very similar wages and flying pretty much the same equipment... tHat doesn’t seem all that bad. Take the best of the work rules from each group.

the hard part would be the paint job. A fleet of green airplanes maybe? Not Shrek green but maybe a little darker. To appeal to the environmentally sensitive folks?
;)

The hardest is, and always has been, SLI (Seniority List Integration). I only half kid.

clearly, there will be *****ing in ANY SLI, but these two pilot groups and their pay schedules, seniority levels, etc, definitely seem less mismatched than most mergers. And if the economies of scale lead to enough growth, everybody might come out ahead. And admit it, the A321 NEO XLRs are tempting...

It’s definitely not as easy as just “take the best work rules..”

Nah, I’m pretty positive that’s how it works....

That's not how it works. The union tries to cherrypick the best parts, and management tries to cherrypick the worst parts. Both sides dig in and it gets ugly. Then they get the pilot groups fighting with each other and it all goes sideways. Ask me why I know.

LoL ...... touché 👊🏻

Sigh. Humor is a thing. I wasn’t serious.

yeah, me neither. Except about the XLRs. And not wanting Shrek green...;)

A double secret pm from a poster we’ll refer to as nolaH suggested that yellow and blue make green.

You heard it here first. All your potatoes are belong to us. And your pax too.

Is funny that you think that the end result would be frontier + spirit = the sum of their parts. You would not end up with that. You would end up with prob 3/4 of that. Everywhere there is overlay there would be trimming. Pilots would be furloughed. Routes would be lost. The End result would be a bigger airline but not anywhere near as big as the sum of the two separate airlines. Mergers are meant to increase profits not employees.

so a THREE way?! Ohhh...that would be fun.

That's what she said

So the big question is.. who's name, paint, and branding would prevail in a new airline ? lol

“The Spirit of Frontier” and for the paint job someone in the airline business on Instagram made a rendering of it.

oh and the slogan...

“discount fares for wild animals”

Call sign..?

"Freebird"!

Ironic with nothing being free on that bird

You forgot the free smiles!!

We even lost "High Fives..." stupid Covid...

Nothing free on ANY bird, some people just prefer to order ala carte. ;)