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I tried to read past where you said "free alcohol" but couldn't. Where the heck did you stay? lol. In class last March we were happy to be able to find food at all.

When I went through pre contract, the footprint start to finish was around 40 days. I think we started 6 days on, 1 off, 6 on, 1 off and then 5 on. That was a rough stretch, barely enough time to take a dump let alone recover. Those first few weeks were brutal. Once the oral was passed, it was back to a typical normal training pace. I had a little less than a month before class started to prepare myself. I think the problem the struggling new hires faced was either not fully preparing themselves for the start of class or accepting a class date that gave them little time to prepare. I remember people getting hired and going to class four days later.

I feel like the training department has done a great job addressing the time constraint issues and making the program a lot less hectic. The stories of the old ways seem to be getting less and less common. I would say from what I hear on the line flying with new hires, there has never been a better opportunity to successfully pass our training program than there is today.

If you ask me, here is the order of importance for day 1

1. Flows (Absolutely must know them cold)
2. Limitations (be at least 90%)
3. Memory Items (be at least 90%)

bonus is proficiency items but that’s really no big deal you have plenty of time for that after starting, and they aren’t touched for the first few weeks.

Systems you kind of just self teach along the way, that’s where you are kind of on your own although they touch on it a good bit. Don’t bother reading the AOM, it’s awful for learning systems compared to the guides and study Q’s.


Training here really is a pleasant experience.

Personally, I treated the proficiency items as memory items, and they’ll be asked as such in subsequent orals.

Also memorize the crew coordination statements and add them to the front of the respective memory and proficiency items.

For example, Stall Warning at Liftoff memory items should be proceeded by the crew coordination statement “Stall Toga 15”.

Also keep in mind that it’s not a verbatim quote of the bold item and small print or bust.

The hotel I stayed at for new-hire training had free dinner and choice of beer or wine on Mon-Wed. We would request and be handed wine by the bottle. Never had a group of young airline pilots gotten so trashed during training without registering a single complaint from the hotel staff.

Whoa, they either changed hotels or the hotel got more liberal with their freebies.

There were a finite number of classes that stayed at the Residence Inn while the Peruvian football team took over the Sheraton.

The Sheraton out in plantation was a great spot to stay during training because of the suburbia environment with minimal distractions. I don't think I would've passed staying in Fort Lauderdale or anywhere near the beach with the level of talent walking around in South Florida ;)

I too would like to hear about these ‘rumors’.... A very good friend of mine told me Delta’s training is worse than ours.... My jaw dropped, but I trust his assessment as he’s been through every training program I have (minus Delta for me)....

Been a while for me but the training dept here and our instructors are all pretty damn awesome. New hire training was not really that stressful and I’m not all that smart. They tell you exactly what you need to know and will help those who need it. The biggest thing is dont be an a##hole and you’ll have zero problems. We have a great group of instructors who actually care. Lastly, welcome aboard! Greatest job you’ll ever have. Great crews, great CPOs, great bunch of ALPA reps, new Airplanes (that are no longer grenading themselves) and a mgmt team that for now seems to be working well with the Union and is doing a good job managing the Pandemic. (Also they have done a legitimately good job cleaning up our reputation/product)

lastly, if you want to fly with the best crews in the world, ya gonna wanna bid ACY 😄