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UnprotectdPilot 03-29-2021 06:35 AM

Why Wouldn’t NK & F9 Merge?
 
“Home of the Bear Fare”

I think the argument for a merger between Spirit & Frontier seems pretty obvious (e.g. massive ULCC, fleet type commonality, similar contracts, route overlap, etc.). There seems to be a consensus that the trajectory of the industry may lead to more consolidation. All that said, why wouldn’t a merger between Spirit + Frontier happen? I know this is all speculative, but it highlights the differences and potential trajectories of the companies.

CincoDeMayo 03-29-2021 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by UnprotectdPilot (Post 3212811)
“Home of the Bear Fare”

I think the argument for a merger between Spirit & Frontier seems pretty obvious (e.g. massive ULCC, fleet type commonality, similar contracts, route overlap, etc.). There seems to be a consensus that the trajectory of the industry may lead to more consolidation. All that said, why wouldn’t a merger between Spirit + Frontier happen? I know this is all speculative, but it highlights the differences and potential trajectories of the companies.

My opinion from the Spirit side on why no merger

Spirit doesn’t need it. Plenty of ULCC volume for 2 ULCCs, we still make up such a small percentage of domestic travel.

Spirit competes with Legacy carriers more than other ULCC carriers. It’s AA out of ORD and DFW matching our fares, and UAL up in EWR trying to cause issues for gates. I’ve never heard management mention the battle against Frontier out of MCO, if anything, it’s SWA. Plenty of ULCC volume for 2 airlines.

Spirit is trying to tighten up their reputation and image and have been slowly doing that over the years. A merger makes that even more difficult.

Does Franke want to buy Spirit? Will Spirit buy Frontier after an IPO? Will Franke sell Frontier prior to IPO? I would say “nope” on all 3. Plus where does Spirit get the cash to buy Frontier after the year long diluting of our stock and the debt brought on with the pandemic and funding growth.


No merger. Not for the next 5 years.

FNGFO 03-29-2021 08:01 AM

“Does Franke want to buy Spirit? Will Spirit buy Frontier after an IPO? Will Franke sell Frontier prior to IPO? I would say “nope” on all 3. Plus where does Spirit get the cash to buy Frontier after the year long diluting of our stock and the debt brought on with the pandemic and funding growth.”

This is the key point. With all other considerations set aside the stumbling block will always be Indigo. They’ll either want too much for Frontier or not be willing to pay enough for Spirit.

Slowhawk 03-29-2021 12:28 PM

They probably weren’t going to merge but once word gets out that they can use the slogan “home of the bear fare”, I wouldn’t be surprised if something is announced the next day:D

IMHO don’t think it’s likely, not for several years if at all

CincoDeMayo 03-29-2021 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by Slowhawk (Post 3213012)
They probably weren’t going to merge but once word gets out that they can use the slogan “home of the bear fare”, I wouldn’t be surprised if something is announced the next day:D

IMHO don’t think it’s likely, not for several years if at all

It’s such low hanging fruit when people say “well clearly Spirit and Frontier will merge because they are so similar”

I guess Burger King and McDonalds will merge because they both serve burgers, have $1 items, drive thrus, so similar. They will clearly merge!

There is such things as companies doing similar things and not merging.

Brickhut 03-29-2021 07:21 PM

Karbon jackets to fly a yellow airplane. Hmmmm, I'll entertain the idea...

Halon1211 03-29-2021 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by Brickhut (Post 3213177)
Karbon jackets to fly a yellow airplane. Hmmmm, I'll entertain the idea...

lol Karbon jackets...people look like dweebs wearing them.

offmyrocker 03-30-2021 01:10 AM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3213178)
lol Karbon jackets...people look like dweebs wearing them.

Guess I’m a dweeb. You prefer the Admirals blazer from Deltuh I suppose.

Slowhawk 03-30-2021 03:59 AM

“lol Karbon jackets...people look like dweebs wearing them.”
https://i.imgur.com/xMMWEzo.jpg

gatorbird 03-30-2021 05:58 AM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3213178)
lol Karbon jackets...people look like dweebs wearing them.

Says the guy who purposefully makes an ass of himself at every opportunity on an anonymous forum.


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