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Tranquility 10-26-2022 06:00 PM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3520899)
I still think it's a good topic of discussion. The non-rev guide says it's required or you risk losing your pass privileges... I want that language removed, and it will require pushback to do it.

Second, we still have some doing some cleaning, some of the time, and as I said, I think that's a terrible idea in every circumstance, in every way.

Just say NO.

Wait….. As a non-rev on JetBlue (as a JetBlue employee), I’m expected to clean?!

Bluedriver 10-26-2022 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by Tranquility (Post 3520904)
Wait….. As a non-rev on JetBlue (as a JetBlue employee), I’m expected to clean?!

Yes, I believe the term is "expected", which isn't exactly definitive, but it also says you risk losing your pass privileges if you don't clean.

So yes, we should be talking about this...

Now, on commutes I would say currently 95.3% of pilots don't, but that number should be 100%, all the time, every time.

Tranquility 10-26-2022 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3520912)
Yes, I believe the term is "expected", which isn't exactly definitive, but it also says you risk losing your pass privileges if you don't clean.

So yes, we should be talking about this...

Now, on commutes I would say currently 95.3% of pilots don't, but that number should be 100%, all the time, every time.

W…….T…….F….. is wrong with your airline and this situation?! I am a pilot, not a cleaner or whatever blather….

Halon1211 10-26-2022 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by Tranquility (Post 3520916)
W…….T…….F….. is wrong with your airline and this situation?! I am a pilot, not a cleaner or whatever blather….

I don’t mind spraying Windex on the mirror if the FO can scrub the toilet bowl down.

Boomer 10-26-2022 08:47 PM


Originally Posted by Tranquility (Post 3520916)
W…….T…….F….. is wrong with your airline and this situation?! I am a pilot, not a cleaner or whatever blather….

The best part is on the JFK flights, watching all the non-revs jam the aisle cleaning front to back while the customers in the back half of the plane are still trying to get off. Total clown show. Of course nobody does a study with a stopwatch to see how much that costs us in turn time.

Bluedriver 10-27-2022 04:33 AM


Originally Posted by Tranquility (Post 3520916)
W…….T…….F….. is wrong with your airline and this situation?! I am a pilot, not a cleaner or whatever blather….

Yep, this part of the airline is very broken. Hopefully that part of the "culture" will die forever during the integration of NK, but I can guarantee you without any doubt there is someone in a cubicle in NYC right now who's job it is to draw up a plan to get you guys to clean planes... Hopefully they end up throwing that plan in the garbage before it's attempted to be implemented.

Basically JB doesn't want to pay cleaners on turns. So they make the flight attendants do it. And then require non-revs to help the FA's. And call all of that "culture".

putzin 10-27-2022 05:02 AM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3521049)
Yep, this part of the airline is very broken. Hopefully that part of the "culture" will die forever during the integration of NK, but I can guarantee you without any doubt there is someone in a cubicle in NYC right now who's job it is to draw up a plan to get you guys to clean planes... Hopefully they end up throwing that plan in the garbage before it's attempted to be implemented.

Basically JB doesn't want to pay cleaners on turns. So they make the flight attendants do it. And then require non-revs to help the FA's. And call all of that "culture".

I don't know, I enjoy being Mr. Helper. I especially enjoy those cold winter nights when you find a nice bag of warm, thick and chunky, barf in a bag. It's all squishy and forms around your digits, warming them right up! The only thing that could make it better is if you get just a slight hint of the vinegary, barf smell. After I'm done carrying it around, I love to get me a nice cup of that delicious airplane coffee and package of Oreos! Do you guys have mugs on your airplanes?

Very excited for the JetBlue purchase and looking forward to drinking coffee out of a mug again on a transcon red-eye!

trd270 10-27-2022 05:32 AM

There is a reason why I’m a pilot and not a house keeper. If team blue expects me to clean a plane after acquisition they can KMA.

Bluedriver 10-27-2022 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by trd270 (Post 3521095)
There is a reason why I’m a pilot and not a house keeper. If team blue expects me to clean a plane after acquisition they can KMA.

Yeah, just don't do it.

95.3% of Blue pilots don't clean on commutes, and I have seen no evidence of consequences, yet.

Most important thing you guys can do is just 100% flat out don't do it.

BusBoi 10-27-2022 06:26 AM

On the times I've non-rev'd on jetBlue I ask the FAs if they need any help and they always say nah, don't worry about it.

But yea, as a former FA myself it's completely unacceptable. It's bad enough FAs (except Delta) don't get paid for boarding, and then these people have to play janitor as well. Absolute garbage.


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