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First, “being bankrupt” is only a thing in Monopoly. If you’re referring to restructuring, yes, one airline can be in restructuring and it would be factored into any seniority list integration.

But if you’re willing to go to the bottom of a legacy list now, you will still be better off being integrated as a 10+ year CA if we were in Ch11 and take a hit from the current financial issues with the company.

You've provided insight, clarification, and pretty much told him to go outside and get some sunshine and listen to the birds.

Some people have a genetic tendency to wallow in doubt and stress. Like the last FO I flew with said: "I know I wasn't supposed to have earbuds in cruise, but I just got tired of listening to this captain b*tch about everything...."

CincoDeMayo

12-06-2023 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by RemoveB4flght (Post 3732677)

I swear, the day people realize to not worry about what they can’t control, is the day they wake up a little happier each day.

Noisecanceller

12-06-2023 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3732627)

I didn’t say a merger/acquisition by a legacy carrier. Although that is a real possibility in BK court, assets are assets at that point. Yellow planes have to go somewhere if it gets to that point.

This administration will be out in 13 months. Joe and his crusade will be out with a new DOJ in, all things change with a new DOJ on any mergers. I’m sure that is a huge consideration with HA and AK right now, taking a gamble a new DOJ will be in.

If we are ch7 which is unlikely yes the assets will go somewhere but there will be no integration. It will be apply and get hired.

Ch11 I don’t see a legacy acquisition ever getting approved. I think Frontier is the only future outside of JetBlue. Small bases with limited swapping available and will have to strike for any marginal raises.

As for a new DOJ. I have a strong feeling that if Trump is the nominee you will see Biden in for term 2. The republicans need to get their act together and figure out how to dump that guy as quick as possible.

LandingGearPins

12-06-2023 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 3732439)

I’m 98% in my base/category at AA, but spend way more time at home than I did at Spirit. I only worked 9 days last month. Granted, I am on call on reserve, and don’t get any days off I want, but I don’t get used much on reserve. Seniority is moving fast here and United, so you’ll take a hit in quality of life initially, but it comes back quickly.

Same thing over here at NK now reserve utilization is way down. Past 2 months got called like twice. Now in
January about 30 to 35% of the base will be on reserve. Lines are shrinking and reserves aren't being used.

SSlow

12-06-2023 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Noisecanceller (Post 3732711)

I think you are contradicting yourself a bit here, judging from this post and others. You talk about merging with Frontier being the only option left (a huge combined ULCC), but then in other posts you mention the model being at critical mass and nobody wants to fly on us anymore.

Also, the legacies could make it happen.

Excargodog

12-06-2023 08:33 AM

3500 trained pilots and 200 aircraft are BOTH significant assets. But the 3500 pilots can't be sold absent buying the whole company. So you are really talking Chapter 11. Because bond holders must be made whole if possible.

And look at the Purdue Pharma case. A bankruptcy court is trying to grant the owners amnesty from even the owners civil liability for starting the opiate epidemic that is today causing 30 times the US fatalities ANNUALLY as 9/11 did once.

NK will never go Chapter 7 and unless the DOJ took it to the Supreme Court AND WON it would wind up with whoever made the best offer for it. The likelihood of that being F9 is EXTREMELY low.

Noisecanceller

12-06-2023 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SSlow (Post 3732738)

Im not saying a frontier merger would be long term viable I’m saying if it’s a merger which appears that that is all this management wants then it will be frontier.

Sniper66

12-06-2023 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Noisecanceller (Post 3732915)

Im not saying a frontier merger would be long term viable I’m saying if it’s a merger which appears that that is all this management wants then it will be frontier.

JB merger with Spirit will be approved

CLE to IAH

12-07-2023 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris (Post 3731896)

I apologize if I hurt your feelings.

how does showing your ass hurt my feelings? Stop projecting your behavior onto others.

Lincoln Osiris

12-07-2023 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by CLE to IAH (Post 3733131)

how does showing your ass hurt my feelings? Stop projecting your behavior onto others.