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JulesWinfield 03-20-2022 10:47 AM

Our contract is worse than my old regional in a number of spots, this is one.

fcoolaiddrinker 03-20-2022 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by mavsfflife (Post 3392043)
I was on reserve when it happened to me. Self notify for the trip the night before and youre not on reserve anymore. Tried to commute out the next day and no luck.


makes a little more sense how that happened but again I’m fairly certain the ability to place res assignments anywhere in a bid period was not discussed in negotiations. It seems intent of that language was placing the res in the original footprint and/or res windows. It doesn’t look like res to res was even contemplated. I imagine the though was you would just lose credit and continue with the next res assignment following day.

symbian simian 03-20-2022 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker (Post 3392059)
makes a little more sense how that happened but again I’m fairly certain the ability to place res assignments anywhere in a bid period was not discussed in negotiations. It seems intent of that language was placing the res in the original footprint and/or res windows.

CS have been reinterpreting things lately. I agree with you.

dualinput 03-20-2022 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3392060)
CS have been reinterpreting things lately. I agree with you.

CS Management. The individual schedulers are still very personable albeit not trained well on our contract. The new interpretations are coming straight from the top.

fcoolaiddrinker 03-20-2022 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3392060)
CS have been reinterpreting things lately. I agree with you.

same on our side. Negotiations have already started. This happened last time before negotiations really got going. All you can do is file disputes when there’s even the slightest question.

symbian simian 03-20-2022 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by dualinput (Post 3392061)
CS Management. The individual schedulers are still very personable albeit not trained well on our contract. The new interpretations are coming straight from the top.

Yes, I should have said management. All true.

PrattFan 03-20-2022 11:09 AM

The union filed a grievance, went to arbitration, won, couldn’t come to a remedy resolution with the company, went back to the arbitrator for remedy, he ruled again, gave the company 6 more months to violate the commuter clause, gave zero award to the harmed pilots, and the union communicated that at several points along the way and just now you guys are getting out your pitch forks?


If you are a commuter and weren’t paying attention than shame on you. Despite the fact the union spun it as a win, it wasn’t. It was bad before when they basically suspended you for the original foot print of the dropped trip, and it’s possibly even worse now, where they force you to reserve without the choice of trying to find a trip to pick up in its place. But that’s not the fault of the union, as they say in sports, never leave it up to the ref. In this case the arbitrator screwed us, all the while awarding in favor of the association.

fcoolaiddrinker 03-20-2022 11:13 AM

If a screw scheduler is clearly violating the agreement ask to discuss with a supervisor. Arbitrators have ruled in the past a crew scheduler can’t be expected to know an entire pilot contract.

fcoolaiddrinker 03-20-2022 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by PrattFan (Post 3392069)
The union filed a grievance, went to arbitration, won, couldn’t come to a remedy resolution with the company, went back to the arbitrator for remedy, he ruled again, gave the company 6 more months to violate the commuter clause, gave zero award to the harmed pilots, and the union communicated that at several points along the way and just now you guys are getting out your pitch forks?


If you are a commuter and weren’t paying attention than shame on you. Despite the fact the union spun it as a win, it wasn’t. It was bad before when they basically suspended you for the original foot print of the dropped trip, and it’s possibly even worse now, where they force you to reserve without the choice of trying to find a trip to pick up in its place. But that’s not the fault of the union, as they say in sports, never leave it up to the ref. In this case the arbitrator screwed us, all the while awarding in favor of the association.

sounds about right. If you can’t win the arbitration just argue the remedy. Happened to us for two years on contractual payrate numbers.

symbian simian 03-20-2022 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by PrattFan (Post 3392069)
The union filed a grievance, went to arbitration, won, couldn’t come to a remedy resolution with the company, went back to the arbitrator for remedy, he ruled again, gave the company 6 more months to violate the commuter clause, gave zero award to the harmed pilots, and the union communicated that at several points along the way and just now you guys are getting out your pitch forks?


If you are a commuter and weren’t paying attention than shame on you. Despite the fact the union spun it as a win, it wasn’t. It was bad before when they basically suspended you for the original foot print of the dropped trip, and it’s possibly even worse now, where they force you to reserve without the choice of trying to find a trip to pick up in its place. But that’s not the fault of the union, as they say in sports, never leave it up to the ref. In this case the arbitrator screwed us, all the while awarding in favor of the association.

Just heard from 2 union people that this has not been resolved and NCC are still being filed if CS or CP won't take the days away from your schedule.


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