F9 or NK
 

I know this has been discussed but wanted to re-engage the discussion.

I have offers from Both F9 and NK.

I had not expected to be in this position and my personal feeling is F9 appears to have faster upgrade and more stability. Perhaps I'm incorrect?

What are some reasons to consider NK over F9 from an executive and financial management consideration? Indigo partners vs Ted and his team at NK?

Please no disrespectful comments. It's a major mid life decision and not one size fits all family needs. Just looking for alternate views.

Thanks.

Where do you live?

• So then go to Frontier. Not meaning to be disrespectful, but are you really going to count on internet posters to make a major decision? Rah rah rah yellow planes rah rah rah werk rulez rah rah rah.

Here's my tip. Got to where your commute is easiest.

For your health.

Work rules are better at NK all other things being equal but that would not trump being able to live in base if that’s an option. The money is a push. Odds are they’ll eventually merge anyway.

ORD based for both. Live in the Midwest.

Earliest class date. With classes of 48 a month, even a few weeks make a difference.

if you live within reserve call out time/distance it’s kind of a wash, If not Spirit will let you drop flying a lot more than Frontier will.

Id be super curious to know how often the “Drop to zero” provision is used at Spirit. At Frontier the number of max credit bidders outstrips the min credit bidders by like…3:1 every month.

A surprising number of people drop a lot of trips - sometimes their whole schedule - to build something they like better out of open time and premium flying.

As stated, slightly better work rules at NK. Yeah people may not normally drop to zero, but having that option as a line holder is almost like an insurance policy. The companies operate essentially on the same business model with slight directional differences. NK seems to be trying to build more consistency in their network whereas F9 loves to add destinations that they serve once a week. While that may not be important to you, if you like to non rev on company metal with your family my bet would be NK might be less stressful.

F9 or NK
 

I doubt your life will be much different if choosing one or the other. I’d go with the first that offered you a class date.

Does this mean you are no longer concerned that spirit is “pencil whipping airplanes” in maintenance?

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/s...-spirit-7.html


Edit- I’ll save you the time and bring your previous response over from another thread so you don’t have to get indignant all over again. ;)

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Skycap876 , 07-21-2021 07:20 AM

Real professional response. Your employer and co-workers must pouring with joy to have you. Or they only know the facade you portray at work but lie in anger, bitterness and resent behind closed doors and airline forums. I do doubt you would speak in such insulting tone in person and even if you did, would quickly find yourself in an undesirable meeting with your superiors.

Unfortunate I came here for insight only to learn APC (or at least this thread) is a dumping ground for the industry's negativity. I'll have my questions answered by a more professional group.

At least be safe and polite to your organization.

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Let’s not forget this one either…. :)



Skycap876 , 07-13-2021 09:04 AM

The arrogance of Delta has turned me far away from any interest in their operation.


I'll be applying elsewhere with a company that upholds a brighter culture.

I'm not sure what any of this has to do with the thread title?

troll alert

It has everything to do with the thread title.

You apparently have job offers from two airlines. Very recently you asked about spirit having shady maintenance practices and you listed several examples of things you had heard. I am merely asking if your concerns have now been alleviated and whether or not that is influencing your decision?

Did you bring these issues up during your interview?

I also did you the courtesy of copying and pasting your previous responses so that you wouldn’t have to. Clearly I’m looking out for you.

you’re welcome.

If you decide to grace us with your present here at NK, do we have to address you as sky captain?

😳😳😳 oh boy, please go to Spirit…

My kids are busy. I frequently drop to 0. I’ve done it the last 2 months and may do it next month. It happens.

Go to Frontier. You’re a troll and don’t need one on the seniority list.

Your relative seniority will grow more at frontier if hired today.

I can’t emphasize enough, please go to Spirit. Sorry guys🤷‍♂️

Haha. Ignore him, go to Frontier. Way faster growth.

Neither. Hold out for YoNited. Far more prestigious and better maintenance. Way more Woke too.

You’re also posting on the B6 board. I’d recommend going there!

I have an interest in both and I have concerns with both. The concerns are unique to each airline's individual operation and ultimately will influence what decision I make based on what I determine is more important, or least of concern.

There's not any irrational prejudice or flaming hyperbolic motive here. It's the assessment of options and I'm using the insight, testimonials and experience of others at both carriers to help make that decision.

Had an offer to interview. Respectfully declined East Coast was just too far.

Pulleeeze go to F9

Spirit has lots of red eye flying here as well which you’ve indicated you’re not a fan of since you’re a early riser and a morning person, that might interfere your lifestyle.

There’s always flying that goes from ORD, DTW, LAS, DFW to Florida and then we do red eye flying to central/South America from MCO, FLL, and MIA for days 2 and 3, and then back to ORD, DTW, LAS, DFW on day 4.

Since you are interested in whether you can drop to zero. Yes you can, but the danger in that is that when you try to rebuild your schedule, the only thing available for pickup is all the undesireable flying is all that is available, i.e. red eye flying and weekend flying. So beware.

spirit will continue to have meltdowns like the one in August every year like they have for the last 8 years (except for 2020)…they keep saying they’re making changes, but nothing ever seems to change. There will be major meltdowns in the future.

frontier looks like it will be a larger airline with their plane order. Spirit doesn’t have anywhere near that, your relative seniority will grow faster it seems at frontier.

but in the end it’s all a crapshoot and you won’t know for 19 years if you made the right choice.

if you want definites, United definitely will be around in 19 years when you retire…. So wait for United to call. At least you’ll be senior to all of us when we’re beating the door down to get in with United after our respective airlines go under.

but if you come here, make sure you know your flows and memory items before you come to class, It’s the only training program I’ve known that if you don’t know it going into training, you’re still not going to know it when you finish training. It’s up to you to find out what you don’t know. New hire FO training, 4 sim sessions is all you get, then your type ride, though I’ve heard they give you an extra sim session now so 5 sims - that’s it - before your type ride.

And take Halon with you.

This guy is a troll my guess is he hasn’t even interviewed with either company.

Not that I want him to come here but where did you get that information? We have about 45 more planes on order than they do.

I have absolutely no clue how many planes frontier has and we are supposed to double our fleet in 5 years.

from reading all of his posts he seems like a high maintenance kind of pilot If disinformation can get him to choose frontier over spirit then I’d be okay with that.

but anyone already here can see from the email we got the other day that we are in a good spot. Just hope we can cope with the growing pains.

I think I'm learning the way to get more respect on this forum is just to be a bigger **********head than the guy before you.

Kind of the South Jersey Shore or Brooklyn Bronx approach. I'm afraid if I show my dark side, you guys might actually like me.
😆

You serious, Clark?

This is like watching some couple argue about whether to go out to dinner for a special occasion at Applebees or TGI Friday. Who cares, just pick one ya troll.

By the way, I work at Pollo Tropical.

if it’s a date night go to Applebee’s. Order The bourbon street steak. And two Oreo shakes.

https://youtu.be/G_zuB-ogIBw

Had a buddy of mine, didn’t go on APC to ask which airline is better. Now he lives in a van down by the river.

FWIW, anyone else in this position should consider the following.

F9 is at 110 airplanes, and by 2027 we will have 192 net aircraft after our old leases are returned. While we may opt to extend leases, this is no guarantee

I would not count on rocketship upgrades due to this unless we announce another order, extend many of our leases, or have significant attrition.

If you're OK with that, our contracts are very similar between the two companies. At F9 we can credit a little more with our 125% override, but the scheduling rules at NK are better. It's a very close match up.

When you get to the interview, and they ask you “so why Spirit?”, just lean back put your legs up on the table, fold your hands behind your head, and ask “so why not Frontier?”

If they don’t make a compelling case, thank them for their time and go fly planes with honey badger tails.

Can someone educate me what makes the working rules better at spirit? Just so I can have an understanding. I know dropping to 0 is huge to some people, what else...?

I also understand that LTD is much better at spirit, frontier is only 8k. I am not trying to make a decision between the jobs, just would like to know why many people say contract wise spirits is better.

Drop to 0, 4 days off between trips, and the LTD are the big ones.

Without the two cbas side by side it’s really tough to say. That being said they are within an earshot of one another. It’s really close, personally I wouldn’t wait for one company over another if you get a job offer.