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SlimBob 02-16-2022 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by minnymum (Post 3373790)
Not saying you’re wrong, but don’t understand out less overnights in MYR is possible or helps with IROPS when we do so many flights through there. I might just be dumb though.

Search for any non base to non base red eye in April and tell me how it's possible. Unless the LAS-LAX flights are going to be full of pilots and flight attendants it's nearly impossible to crew those flights on a 2 day pairing. Also if you're in IROP and your pilots are home and not at the hotel it's going to cost more to get them to fly. And Flight Attendants can only report to a base. Every IROP last year I've been available to answer a call but my phone isn't ringing. I don't think crew location is the issue. Should be a lucrative summer of this is the management answer.

doubles 02-16-2022 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by DrDHD (Post 3373708)
except commuters just got the shaft. More hotels for commuters between your 2 back to back 2 day pairings

I thought you had to have four days off between trips?

bruhaha 02-16-2022 07:35 PM

You dont get 4 days off between 1 2 and 3 day trips….

symbian simian 02-17-2022 01:55 AM


Originally Posted by doubles (Post 3373804)
I thought you had to have four days off between trips?

It is 4 days off (pilot can waive down to 1) between blocks of days work. As long as the trips are back to back, it counts as a block. Blocks can’t be longer than 6 calendar days, before needing a calendar day off in base (can be waived by the pilot).

emersonbiguns 02-17-2022 03:44 AM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3373892)
Blocks can’t be longer than 6 calendar days, before needing a calendar day off in base (can be waived by the pilot).

How do you still get your 30 off in 168 in that situation?

cantflylist 02-17-2022 04:06 AM


Originally Posted by emersonbiguns (Post 3373908)
How do you still get your 30 off in 168 in that situation?

CBA requires the 30 off to be in base - so you get 30 off, not just a day. per CBA cannot get 30 off on the road.
Actually, 117 - you can work 7 days in a row - the 30 off is measured from the START of that 7th day duty period.

symbian simian 02-17-2022 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by cantflylist (Post 3373918)
CBA requires the 30 off to be in base - so you get 30 off, not just a day. per CBA cannot get 30 off on the road.
Actually, 117 - you can work 7 days in a row - the 30 off is measured from the START of that 7th day duty period.

One of the potholes in 117.

emersonbiguns 02-17-2022 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by cantflylist (Post 3373918)
CBA requires the 30 off to be in base - so you get 30 off, not just a day. per CBA cannot get 30 off on the road.
Actually, 117 - you can work 7 days in a row - the 30 off is measured from the START of that 7th day duty period.


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3374061)
One of the potholes in 117.

So all of this begs the question, how many pairings does NK build with 30+ hours of overnight and when was the last time anyone put together pairings to get 7 days straight of work (i.e. 7 duty periods)?

SSlow 02-17-2022 03:16 PM


Originally Posted by emersonbiguns (Post 3374095)
So all of this begs the question, how many pairings does NK build with 30+ hours of overnight and when was the last time anyone put together pairings to get 7 days straight of work (i.e. 7 duty periods)?

The March FLL bid packet shows a grand total of 16 pairings with a 30+ hour layover out of 666 total pairings. 30 hour layovers aren't very common here like they were at the regionals, and in reality anything over 24 hours is rare as it triggers an extra 5 hours pay.

emersonbiguns 02-17-2022 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by SSlow (Post 3374244)
The March FLL bid packet shows a grand total of 16 pairings with a 30+ hour layover out of 666 total pairings. 30 hour layovers aren't very common here like they were at the regionals, and in reality anything over 24 hours is rare as it triggers an extra 5 hours pay.

I just looked at our (F9) LAS pairings and there was one. So pretty rare here as well. I had never seen one so I assumed we didn't ever have them.


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