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Old 02-08-2022 | 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by daOldMan
But this will still be an ULCC. If you want a real OCC and real support, go to a legacy airline. If you want a garage sale type airline with folding tables in the OCC, go to an ULCC.

This merger will not make Sprontier a real legacy airline. It is just a larger ULCC. Period.
sure OldmN - regardless, for a qualified pilot, ULCC/Legacy/Cargo/fractional/135 - all look same. The paint on the plane matters not. Qualified pilots will choose where they hang their hat based on QoL, pay, progression prospects etc. If ULCC management wants to say "we pay like ULCC", then they will perish - plain and simple.
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Old 02-08-2022 | 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
Just want to pop in and say that I am so pleased how well everyone is working together so far. If we can keep this up as a pilot group, we will be in for a big win. Together we are much better than seperated. Thankfully the differences in our current contracts are small, so this should go fairly smoothly, at least on our end. Glad to be partnering up with the F9'ers.
Hopefully, we are all experienced enough to know...

I'll say it anyways...

For the love of all that is holy to you - do not publically state what you are willing accept.
Please keep the topics simply - what you like and don't like about your carrier's contract - so that we can decide what we do and don't like and can communicate that to our respective representatives.

I believe if we do that, we can most certainly have an industry leading contract.
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Old 02-08-2022 | 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by dracir1
the ultimate focus has GOT to be the contract and getting - what I consider - widebody rates (since we haul more passengers than legacy 75/76). With a me too. Trust me, w/ our combined CASM and increased efficiencies, they can more than afford it.
Not to be a Debbie downer, but you realize both airlines lost money last year, right?
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Old 02-08-2022 | 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by DumboDrop
I would definitely not call that "far superior".

It is better, and as an F9 I agree that we should be able to drop lower and would be interested in retaining zero in the spirit contract.
So, the least amount you are allowed to fly in a year is 780 hours? Being allowed to drop to zero is FAR superior. Many at NK are hard NOs on any contract that gives up this language.
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Old 02-08-2022 | 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
sorry F9 guys but that is bad. Very bad, lol

Pretty sure that’s not correct. 25.m is monthly opentime language which doesn’t exist now. Unfortunately it’s true with the flica fence. Might be part of a recent clarification loa? It’s been a point of contention. Moving along.
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Old 02-08-2022 | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW
So, the least amount you are allowed to fly in a year is 780 hours? Being allowed to drop to zero is FAR superior. Many at NK are hard NOs on any contract that gives up this language.
understood but it has nothing to do with block. It’s credit.
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Old 02-08-2022 | 07:20 AM
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I think everyone can agree dropping to 0 is better and I don’t think there’s a single guy at F9 that will argue otherwise unless the new negotiated rules really screw up the reserve grid (red/green as you call it).

What we are saying is our QOL isn’t as bad as may have been led on, which is a good thing, because it is less of a gap to negotiate.

Historically drop/swap have been very easy tools to use at F9.
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Old 02-08-2022 | 07:28 AM
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We haven’t even got to the hard stuff yet. Like reassignment. Lol.
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Old 02-08-2022 | 07:39 AM
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I live far enough from base that driving for 3-4 day trips is no big deal, but driving out for 1-2 day trips would quickly suck. Are people wanting to fight to preserve the minimum 4 days off after a trip guarantee, both for itself and to prevent Sprontier from going to a day trip model?
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Old 02-08-2022 | 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
Not to be a Debbie downer, but you realize both airlines lost money last year, right?
Most did……
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