NK/F9 Merger Announced
02-07-2022 | 06:06 AM
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Doesn’t the RLA have a process to combine contracts. There is also a process for an ISL to go to arbitration. I think if they go full hardball no one votes on anything. Although I think your right they won’t have the leverage.
I think Atlas at first attempted to go through a combining process with Southern before they hammered out a joint deal.
I think Atlas at first attempted to go through a combining process with Southern before they hammered out a joint deal.
02-07-2022 | 06:07 AM
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Doesn’t the RLA have a process to combine contracts. There is also a process for an ISL to go to arbitration. I think if they go full hardball no one votes on anything. Although I think your right they won’t have the leverage.
I think Atlas at first attempted to go through a combining process with Southern before they hammered out a joint deal.
I think Atlas at first attempted to go through a combining process with Southern before they hammered out a joint deal.
Atlas/Southern was a different kind of deal, per my former Southern sim partner.
02-07-2022 | 06:11 AM
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Indigo partners has been on a mission to dominate the ULCC market. The Frontier executive culture is not in favor of many of Spirit's labor agreements.
I would expect with F9 holding a controlling interest, their will be some very difficult Union integration discussions particularly issues such as scheduling.
F9 management does not want a scheduling flexibility program like that at NK and I would not be surprised if they refuse to adopt such amongst both unions unless both unions come together strong and demand it is preserved.
As far as the upgrades and growth/movement potential, I don't know that it will have much benefit in the near term. It may take upwards of one to three years for a full integration and operational synergies to be established.
Going to be very interesting.
I would expect with F9 holding a controlling interest, their will be some very difficult Union integration discussions particularly issues such as scheduling.
F9 management does not want a scheduling flexibility program like that at NK and I would not be surprised if they refuse to adopt such amongst both unions unless both unions come together strong and demand it is preserved.
As far as the upgrades and growth/movement potential, I don't know that it will have much benefit in the near term. It may take upwards of one to three years for a full integration and operational synergies to be established.
Going to be very interesting.
it’s simple, we can vote NO 👍🏼.
call me optimistic but I look forward to working with the F9 group. Both groups have been through some sh*t 😂
02-07-2022 | 06:16 AM
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As a Frontier pilot I'd just like to say hi and will look forward to integration with you guys. I've always been treated well by Spirit crews and I'm sure we will do great together.
This merger will cause some temporary uncertainty and friction but I have no doubt we will be much stronger together than apart.
Frontier has been great. Don't get hung up on some negative stuff on the forums. I've been at F9 for 8+ years and never been wronged by management. It's been a great ride so far and I think we will come out of this with a better contract for both of us and be a very strong airline with great job security for our careers.
Looking forward to it guys.
Cheers,
Aero
This merger will cause some temporary uncertainty and friction but I have no doubt we will be much stronger together than apart.
Frontier has been great. Don't get hung up on some negative stuff on the forums. I've been at F9 for 8+ years and never been wronged by management. It's been a great ride so far and I think we will come out of this with a better contract for both of us and be a very strong airline with great job security for our careers.
Looking forward to it guys.
Cheers,
Aero
02-07-2022 | 06:18 AM
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02-07-2022 | 06:24 AM
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F9 guy here and I’m extremely excited to work with all of you! You all have been nothing but class acts each time I’ve ridden on you. This will be great for everyone in the long run when the merger pain subsides.
It’s said that every airline has their 10% of “special” pilots. I firmly believe that at F9 and NK it’s only 1%. With that said, I’ll be blunt. To the few in here claiming it’s time to update your apps - put a pin in your ego. Spirit management hasn’t been giving out lollipops and unicorns to your pilot group either. Yes, F9 management/pilot relations has had a rough month. I don’t defend the actions of the section 19s that went out. ORD closing, however, now makes more sense than ever. And inefficient F9 base where the pilots can be better utilized in other bases in the short term. We had very limited departures out of there. NK had a large presence. I’m very confident that ORD will continue to be a pilot base of the combined company. Yes the closure was sudden and it sucked. But the company DID follow the contract and give the required notice. None of us like the way it was done or the fact that it happened, but it’s wasn’t the earth shattering crime that the forums are making it out to be.
It’s said that every airline has their 10% of “special” pilots. I firmly believe that at F9 and NK it’s only 1%. With that said, I’ll be blunt. To the few in here claiming it’s time to update your apps - put a pin in your ego. Spirit management hasn’t been giving out lollipops and unicorns to your pilot group either. Yes, F9 management/pilot relations has had a rough month. I don’t defend the actions of the section 19s that went out. ORD closing, however, now makes more sense than ever. And inefficient F9 base where the pilots can be better utilized in other bases in the short term. We had very limited departures out of there. NK had a large presence. I’m very confident that ORD will continue to be a pilot base of the combined company. Yes the closure was sudden and it sucked. But the company DID follow the contract and give the required notice. None of us like the way it was done or the fact that it happened, but it’s wasn’t the earth shattering crime that the forums are making it out to be.
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