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JulesWinfield 02-12-2022 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by FahQ2 (Post 3371205)
You forget we were still net positive for pilot growth last month. We are still turning pilots away at interviews, and classes are full.

Yes growing only 15 pilots a month is not sustainable for the number of aircraft coming, however the trend has not established itself… yet.

I can’t see the company rushing in with a MOU to augment compensation until the potential attrition problem is actually a problem.

Let them be reactionary, if the situation gets to the point where planes get parked and recruitment dries up, then we have even more leverage with a JCBA.

From the Town Hall, they said the current attrition surprised them. I don’t think they have a true pulse on what’s going on. Sure, we gained 15 pilots, but we lost 40 pilots who were on the seniority list flying and replaced them with pilots who are in training. If this trend continues, even for a few months, it’s going to be very difficult to staff the flying we have, much less new aircraft. It’s even more of a disaster when someone leaves in the first year.

Fah2 02-12-2022 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 3371222)
From the Town Hall, they said the current attrition surprised them. I don’t think they have a true pulse on what’s going on. Sure, we gained 15 pilots, but we lost 40 pilots who were on the seniority list flying and replaced them with pilots who are in training. If this trend continues, even for a few months, it’s going to be very difficult to staff the flying we have, much less new aircraft. It’s even more of a disaster when someone leaves in the first year.

What they say in a town hall and the conversation that happens behind closed doors are two different things. They know exactly who is leaving and where they are going and why.

Still when you look at it objectively, it has not become a problem yet. January could be the start of a trend, or it could be an anomaly that lasts a couple months, but there is not a big enough data set to indicate either way.

I am not immune to speculation, but worst case is I make a lot of money this summer with premium flying, and the company throws some pre JCBA money at our newer guys. It certainly doesn’t keep me up at night.

dualinput 02-12-2022 08:28 AM

Town halls are propaganda events. Anyone that uses those for information is naive.

dualinput 02-12-2022 08:29 AM


Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 3371222)
From the Town Hall, they said the current attrition surprised them. I don’t think they have a true pulse on what’s going on. Sure, we gained 15 pilots, but we lost 40 pilots who were on the seniority list flying and replaced them with pilots who are in training. If this trend continues, even for a few months, it’s going to be very difficult to staff the flying we have, much less new aircraft. It’s even more of a disaster when someone leaves in the first year.

Let the premium flow!! Haven’t seen it yet

93Sierra 02-12-2022 04:20 PM

The townhalls are really getting good almost getting goebbels esque. “ looking into cadet/flow programs?” - no we are not. Not 24 hours later….ATP thingy announced!. “We are talking with ALPA yada yada yada”. MEC email “ no they haven’t even approached us”.

CincoDeMayo 02-12-2022 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by 93Sierra (Post 3371438)
The townhalls are really getting good almost getting goebbels esque. “ looking into cadet/flow programs?” - no we are not. Not 24 hours later….ATP thingy announced!. “We are talking with ALPA yada yada yada”. MEC email “ no they haven’t even approached us”.

And the biggest:
"Are you exploring merger options?"
"We are not actively exploring merger options or consolidation

Merger announced

This has been in the works for a long time, pretty clear now. Town Halls are a joke when a moderator cherry picks fluff questions, you cant even get real questions asked. Not that I expect them to, but another example why its a joke.

CLE to IAH 02-12-2022 04:51 PM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3371443)
And the biggest:
"Are you exploring merger options?"
"We are not actively exploring merger options or consolidation

Merger announced

This has been in the works for a long time, pretty clear now. Town Halls are a joke when a moderator cherry picks fluff questions, you cant even get real questions asked. Not that I expect them to, but another example why its a joke.

when you’re right, you’re right.

Cyio 02-12-2022 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3371443)
And the biggest:
"Are you exploring merger options?"
"We are not actively exploring merger options or consolidation

Merger announced

This has been in the works for a long time, pretty clear now. Town Halls are a joke when a moderator cherry picks fluff questions, you cant even get real questions asked. Not that I expect them to, but another example why its a joke.

Except for that last part, they did go down the list of questions that came in live and had upvotes. Ted even said let’s get through then.

Otherwise I agree.

CincoDeMayo 02-12-2022 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 3371475)
Except for that last part, they did go down the list of questions that came in live and had upvotes. Ted even said let’s get through then.

Otherwise I agree.

I have asked plenty of questions that dont even make it to the main board of getting an "upvote". They are scrubbed. The moderator controls what questions are allowed to be seen by the attendees.

You ask, it gets reviewed, and either posted or sidelined. Try asking a question that isnt about uniforms, beards, Hawaii, or any of the other fluff questions; see if it gets posted

IamEssential 02-12-2022 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by gatorbird (Post 3370992)
There's no "seems like" to it bud, the message was quite clear.

Yep, management was too busy getting this merger done and basically ignored the attrition that was increasing exponentially under their feet. They were just hoping it worked itself out and that this merger would be great news to pilots and help slow down the attrition. It is having the opposite effect, pilots are not idiots and they know that mergers rarely go well for the pilot groups. Upgrade times will continue to go up and efficiencies will be "gained" in this merger.


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