Instructor direct to right seat UA vs Spirit
 

Which one would you pick?

UA started to train their pilot from zero hour.

Spirit signed the agreement with ATP, and instructors can straight to right seat in the Bus.

Just curious what motivate candidates come to spirit these day?

Does the zero hour training at UA require in interview ahead of starting training and/or a college degree. I don’t think going to ATP guarantees anything at spirit.

Per the ATP agreement, I believe you interview at 500 hours with NK, and if successful start at 1,500 hours upon ATP/CTP.

Aren’t you required to spend some time at a United express carrier before you get to United mainline?

18months time line to accumulate 1500hours as instructor, no college degree required, two years in United Express.

I am trying to figure out if Spirit management has a plan to deal with attrition issue. Based on the email from ALPA today, seems like management didn’t have a plan with ALPA at all.

I would guess most people that go to frontier or spirit vs going to a regional have the same plan in mind and are using it as a stepping stone. Likely many of those will gain seniority at their respective LCC and decide to stay but your the attrition is most likely due to the fact that most people want that legacy job for its variety of flying, QOL, and pay. Some people see flying a narrow body for an entire career as mundane.

There's no "seems like" to it bud, the message was quite clear.

I'm a bit concerned. We're about 1.5 years away from the merger closing. We'll need a new CBA before then. I don't see us getting a new contract any earlier, since it will be nullified. I don't see a pay increase stopping attrition. Management already knows if they make it rain, people will still leave. While I don't think the management group would spend millions to let this thing die on the vine, it seems like they aren't getting ahead of the situation, either.

Merger will close this year. JCBA who knows. My guess is TA middle of 2023. Hopefully if it’s trash it will be voted down and a good TA will manifest by end of 2023.

You forget we were still net positive for pilot growth last month. We are still turning pilots away at interviews, and classes are full.

Yes growing only 15 pilots a month is not sustainable for the number of aircraft coming, however the trend has not established itself… yet.

I can’t see the company rushing in with a MOU to augment compensation until the potential attrition problem is actually a problem.

Let them be reactionary, if the situation gets to the point where planes get parked and recruitment dries up, then we have even more leverage with a JCBA.