NK/F9 first year pay??
 

Hey NK folks.
I noticed that Frontier has raised their 1st year pay to $75/hr. Has or will Spirit do the same?
Thanks in advance.

No, our contract is different. They can’t change it unilaterally like frontier.

Nope, still rocking that $1,000 a month for the first 90 days for now.

Ok thanks for the responses.

It was super fun flying around the 321 with 200+ passengers on IOE for 1000/ month! Especially when you consider frontier now pays min guarantee, and hotels, and first year pay is now 75 an hour.

Sounds like more pressure on Ted and the crew, ok. I’m glad we don’t have a provision to allow management to unilaterally change a pay rate for 1 group and ignore the rest.

they should just put out a MOU now to snap us up to legacy pay and avoid the massive attrition. It would probably go a long way with keeping FO’s especially.

Seems they are too blind to realize that. Good news is they have learned that 200% for all trips works, as it did in January. So just get ready to make some cash this summer.

Sadly FO stagnation is real and we can’t get off reserve to make that big money.

How quickly are new hires able to get a line currently?

Well, it’s over a year and getting longer.

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If you don’t mind, where are you based or is this at every base?

Is there a way to see the date of hire for the junior line holder in each base?

I have friends that were in my new hire at very base. None are holding a line.

I had a line in March, 11 months in at DFW. Back on reserve in APR and looks like I’m probably the plug and on reserve for the rest of my days. AA and SWA never looked better.

Cant blame you, wish you luck man.

It looks like FLL is still the most junior and the quickest to get a line as a new hire. Most junior lineholder on last award looks like a July 2021 hire. I think if you were/are hired in 2022, it will be a long time to get a line.

That won’t last long with all the ORD and DTW guys commuting to FLL now.

Yeah, true... but lets not forget, MCO is adding 117 new pilots, ATL 137. So it will be spread out quite a bit. I think when the dust settles after this displacement FLL/MIA will end up being the most junior out of all bases. It will still be a long time to hold a line for anyone hired in 2022 and beyond. I also still think 1 more base will be announced this year, hopefully by end of 2nd quarter or early 3rd quarter.

I make more money the months I bid rsv than the ones I bid a line.

How's that? Cause you drop your awarded trips?

Probably because he runs out the door when the phone rings for a premium assignment while on reserve.

Probably IAH, shrinking DFW by even more.

You were however, ok with a contract that changed the pay rate for years 2+ but ignored first year pay? Anyone that could have voted for the contract, was already on 2nd year pay. Therefore they ignored those behind them. Those who had a say, forgot about those who don’t.

Can’t drop on rsv. It’s much easier to say yes to a premium trip when you’ve been at home not getting used on rsv than when you just got home from a 4 day and are dead tired and/or have legality issues

Of course premium is not guaranteed and I can afford to live on 72hrs

Make sense. Are reserve FOs not flying much? Obviously it'll differ my base.

yeah, not sure where these Unicorns are coming from. FO reserves are being used every single day to the point where nobody wants to work on their precious few days off even for double pay.

Appreciate the info. Any kind of FMLA that is available in the contract? Thinking of family, short term leave for any number of different reasons.

I believe you have to be here a year in order to take FMLA.

Definitely not on the FO side. It's hard to even get a premium call due to only having 12 days off in a month, as you aren't legal to accept them. I have had a couple of days here and there where I didn't get called, but I have been used every block since October and worked every single day in January that I was on call.

First off big boy, 75% voted for they contract. Secondly, and just a side note, first year pay was raised from the old rate of $38/hr, so at least be accurate.

The last contract of $38/hr (for the entire duration) was actually a pay cut from the prior contract or $40/hr. I should have came on the forums when I was at $38 and cried unfair after I applied and took the job.

I know you are new and probably just angry to work for the hourly rate that you knowingly applied for a few months ago. Buyers remorse is a heck of a thing.

Discussed to death, you’ll find almost everyone on here is in agreement that first year staffing still is a problem for Management to fix while addressing the pay short comings of the entire group.

If the company can’t staff planes, they need to offer more money. Bumping first year pay at Frontier won’t do anything for them but have more pilots leave during their first year for a Legacy. All years need to be fixed

I think they are but base and rap and days of the week all matter. The premium snapshot shows the majority of premium pay is FO so it’s there for the taking currently and you don’t have to be a line holder. Days off doesn’t matter as long as contractual duty or 117 isn’t affected.

Darn. Really?
What do you think it’ll level out at?

Depends.. when will people stop leaving or when will the company step up and fix the attrition problem.


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Actually attrition helps new hires get off reserve faster. The only case where it wouldn’t is if all the people leaving are junior to you, which for a new hire isn’t the case.

It’s slowing senior first officers from making captain currently, which is another issue, but the overwhelming majority of pilots leaving are FOs, and most of them have been here more than a year.

Now the displacement bid will have an impact of time to line in certain bases, but that means attrition will only help a new hire reserve pilot to get to a line faster.

Attrition is not a good thing long term, but before you espouse to a newbie that it will adversely affect their time to a line, at least know what the hell you’re talking about…

Must be nice. Reserves in my base are getting used and abused.

How big are current new hire classes?

About 20

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On average what are you guys seeing for no shows if any?