SlimBob

The reason I came to Spirit would die if the BOD decides to take the cash with B6. NK/F9 allows our blended family to be disfunctional together. Already B6 pilots are showing they have a chip on their shoulder where I see their company sailing with no port in mind.
I don't like BF but I think his days are numbered. F9 sweetens the offer (more cash and one of the board seats) and we move in together.
Here's to hoping they are just going through the fiduciary motions and that B6 goes away.

Conquistador27

I agree. From day one of the F9/NK news, everyone from both sides were acting great to one another and knew we were on the same team. Day one of the JB announcement and it’s how JB is going to win in a SLI. Add to that that after a merger, it’s going to be stagnant. No thanks. I didn’t want to work at Delta, definitely don’t want to work at Delta jr.

dualinput

I’m starting to finally learn why in the last ten years corporate America has spent so much money ballooning HR departments and creating “culture”. People seem to actually care how their job makes them feel. It’s a job! I come here for one reason and that’s money. I couldn’t care less about any company’s culture. I want the most money and the most time at home. It’s all about the money and that’s how a board of directors thinks and how CEOs think. Nobody cares how it makes any of us feel. It’s a job.

new guy

I like the way you think.

SlimBob

And since it's just a job you're browsing the boards over your morning coffee to remind us of that? I don't think that's how you or most people think.

FNGFO

I think the problem with the ULCC model for the foreseeable future is staffing. The seniority lists are being hired away, recruits are looking elsewhere and new hires are as well.

That’s not changing anytime soon with Franke at the helm or his son I’d imagine. F9 might go one to be the preeminent ULCC, but I suspect the other carriers will let them/us have that market and ask very simply if the deliveries can be staffed.

new guy

I'm not even in this career field but I'm perusing. I think that many people will put up with a place without a great work environment if they are paid a higher standard pay (not bonuses, etc) and so on.

dualinput

Actually yes. It’s a big part of my life and I don’t want to lose it, because it’s how I make a living. However, if I had enough money for to live the rest of my life without showing up again, I would quit today and never look back.

My point was culture at work, or whatever fake values HR invents, or rah rah becoming the biggest ULCC “powerhouse”, or mini legacy LCC mint whatever is of no importance to me.

Getting the biggest contract with the most pay the best benefits, the best retirement, and the most time off is all that matters. If it’s JB then that’s what I want. If it’s frontier then that’s what I want. That’s how the board thinks. Money only. Right now the JB offer is more money for shareholders so there is no way they can or will take frontier unless frontier offers more money or another airline (not out of the question) comes in the other more money.

If I have offers on my house and the ******* is offering 30% more than a sweet couple looking for a forever home I’m selling to the *******. You don’t leave big money on the table because you like the people behind the lower offer. In our case at spirit they are both *******s

Myfingershurt

Preach, brother. Don’t tell delta pilots that, though. Some of them will smack you with the pointy end of their hats then smother you in their double breasted horse blanket.

dualinput

I had a friend (not a pilot) 40 years old actually tell me that culture was a big reason he works where he works. I couldn’t believe it. I was thinking he’s telling me when the rubber meets the road that if another company offers him more money for the same job he’s going to choose “culture”? I don’t think so.

Every December my wife is always asking me (rhetorically) why we don’t get to attend any fun corporate holiday parties like all of our friends. I always tell her it’s because I make 100% more than most of our friends and about 800% more retirement so get a babysitter and where would you like to go to dinner.

“The reason I came to spirit dies with JetBlue” as the OP said. Huh?! I came to spirit bc I live in a base and I can make more money and have more time off that way. This constant mantra of we are a “family” that ever corporation now uses is irritating. That is completely insulting to my actual family. We are coworkers. We all come here to make the company money so they can pay us more. Simple. Not a family.