Spirit bidding changes after the merger !
04-21-2022 | 02:21 PM
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Spirit bidding changes after the merger !
Hello again ! What will happen to the Spirit pilots bidding system after the merger with Jetblue or Frontier. One of the main reasons for me wanting to work for Spirit is the QOL and the flexibility the pilot group enjoys.
1) Will the Spirit pilots have separate work rules post merger or is that a whole new contract negotiation
2) Will Spirit pilots be forced to bid under the existing bidding system at JB or Frontier
3) What will happen to the pilot contract if Spirit is totally absorbed into either JB or Frontier
4) Can there be 2 different pilot groups / work rules in one airline ( like people grandfathered into old rules)
Thanks
1) Will the Spirit pilots have separate work rules post merger or is that a whole new contract negotiation
2) Will Spirit pilots be forced to bid under the existing bidding system at JB or Frontier
3) What will happen to the pilot contract if Spirit is totally absorbed into either JB or Frontier
4) Can there be 2 different pilot groups / work rules in one airline ( like people grandfathered into old rules)
Thanks
04-21-2022 | 02:23 PM
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Hello again ! What will happen to the Spirit pilots bidding system after the merger with Jetblue or Frontier. One of the main reasons for me wanting to work for Spirit is the QOL and the flexibility the pilot group enjoys.
1) Will the Spirit pilots have separate work rules post merger or is that a whole new contract negotiation
2) Will Spirit pilots be forced to bid under the existing bidding system at JB or Frontier
3) What will happen to the pilot contract if Spirit is totally absorbed into either JB or Frontier
4) Can there be 2 different pilot groups / work rules in one airline ( like people grandfathered into old rules)
Thanks
1) Will the Spirit pilots have separate work rules post merger or is that a whole new contract negotiation
2) Will Spirit pilots be forced to bid under the existing bidding system at JB or Frontier
3) What will happen to the pilot contract if Spirit is totally absorbed into either JB or Frontier
4) Can there be 2 different pilot groups / work rules in one airline ( like people grandfathered into old rules)
Thanks
Things will certainly not stay the same.
04-21-2022 | 02:24 PM
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Hello again ! What will happen to the Spirit pilots bidding system after the merger with Jetblue or Frontier. One of the main reasons for me wanting to work for Spirit is the QOL and the flexibility the pilot group enjoys.
1) Will the Spirit pilots have separate work rules post merger or is that a whole new contract negotiation
2) Will Spirit pilots be forced to bid under the existing bidding system at JB or Frontier
3) What will happen to the pilot contract if Spirit is totally absorbed into either JB or Frontier
4) Can there be 2 different pilot groups / work rules in one airline ( like people grandfathered into old rules)
Thanks
1) Will the Spirit pilots have separate work rules post merger or is that a whole new contract negotiation
2) Will Spirit pilots be forced to bid under the existing bidding system at JB or Frontier
3) What will happen to the pilot contract if Spirit is totally absorbed into either JB or Frontier
4) Can there be 2 different pilot groups / work rules in one airline ( like people grandfathered into old rules)
Thanks
04-21-2022 | 05:38 PM
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Hello again ! What will happen to the Spirit pilots bidding system after the merger with Jetblue or Frontier. One of the main reasons for me wanting to work for Spirit is the QOL and the flexibility the pilot group enjoys.
1) Will the Spirit pilots have separate work rules post merger or is that a whole new contract negotiation
2) Will Spirit pilots be forced to bid under the existing bidding system at JB or Frontier
3) What will happen to the pilot contract if Spirit is totally absorbed into either JB or Frontier
4) Can there be 2 different pilot groups / work rules in one airline ( like people grandfathered into old rules)
Thanks
1) Will the Spirit pilots have separate work rules post merger or is that a whole new contract negotiation
2) Will Spirit pilots be forced to bid under the existing bidding system at JB or Frontier
3) What will happen to the pilot contract if Spirit is totally absorbed into either JB or Frontier
4) Can there be 2 different pilot groups / work rules in one airline ( like people grandfathered into old rules)
Thanks
04-21-2022 | 05:53 PM
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04-21-2022 | 06:13 PM
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Not trying to flame , just wanted to understand if there are any language in the existing contract to keep it the same for " x" amount of time in case of a merger , or if the contract has any provisions in case of a merger.
Thanks again -
Thanks again -
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04-21-2022 | 06:23 PM
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We have union contracts. We work under our separate contracts until a joint contract is negotiated. You want a joint contract so the company can’t pit the two groups against each other (whipsawing).
Company wants a joint contract (leverage for us) because they need a joint seniority list to realize many of the synergies that come with merging two airlines. Because both JetBlue and Spirit unions are in the same association (ALPA) policy says that a joint contract must be negotiated before a joint seniority list is formed.
Same goes for Frontier
The joint contract will be “different” for both groups in some ways but no reason it cannot be industry leading. None
Company wants a joint contract (leverage for us) because they need a joint seniority list to realize many of the synergies that come with merging two airlines. Because both JetBlue and Spirit unions are in the same association (ALPA) policy says that a joint contract must be negotiated before a joint seniority list is formed.
Same goes for Frontier
The joint contract will be “different” for both groups in some ways but no reason it cannot be industry leading. None
04-22-2022 | 01:33 AM
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We have union contracts. We work under our separate contracts until a joint contract is negotiated. You want a joint contract so the company can’t pit the two groups against each other (whipsawing).
Company wants a joint contract (leverage for us) because they need a joint seniority list to realize many of the synergies that come with merging two airlines. Because both JetBlue and Spirit unions are in the same association (ALPA) policy says that a joint contract must be negotiated before a joint seniority list is formed.
Same goes for Frontier
The joint contract will be “different” for both groups in some ways but no reason it cannot be industry leading. None
Company wants a joint contract (leverage for us) because they need a joint seniority list to realize many of the synergies that come with merging two airlines. Because both JetBlue and Spirit unions are in the same association (ALPA) policy says that a joint contract must be negotiated before a joint seniority list is formed.
Same goes for Frontier
The joint contract will be “different” for both groups in some ways but no reason it cannot be industry leading. None
What I mean is, I agree...
04-22-2022 | 10:10 AM
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04-22-2022 | 11:44 AM
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I’m definitely one of those “shaking in the corner of the room while Sarah McLaughlin music plays in the background” pilots, after hearing of a potential merging of 2 seniority lists. The XJT debacle was not a positively memorable experience.
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