I agree that the use of "team member" by the MEC would demand punishment, if ever used lol. Any use of the word "Spirit family" is grounds for imprisonment

I sure hope you’re right with this, but I highly doubt this current leadership would reach that high (and it’s not when that big of an ask).

Starting point should include inflation correction (or cost of living or whatever Andy wants to call it) applied to all the rates since the amendable date for any contract we discuss in private. Forget the signing bo-n/g-us.

Wait a second. Do you not remember last round of negotiations for F9/NK? Didn’t frontier and spirit both get new CBAs after UAL/AAL/DAL last round? Frontier pilots basically just got spirit wages. And Spirit went below everyone else who had negotiated before them while in an increasing wage, pilot’s market landscape. But for some reason you think you would start with Big 3 rates as your baseline this time around in section 6? Good luck with that.

and to be clear I’m not saying you shouldn’t try to one up legacies…i am just trying to put some recent negotiating context into your post, which makes it seem like you think UAL+$1 is achievable for a ULCC and that your NC has that in the bag. That’s the point to which I’d say Ted/Biffle/Franke/whatever other puppet masters there are, won’t have any of that.

You eat paint chips as a kid? Did you see the starting ask we had last go around?

When you negotiate a car do you go in and offer $1 less than sticker or $3000 less, so you have room to work? The NMB only requires your ask to be within the "zone of reasonableness"

Last go around SPA ALPA used legacy carriers are our peers and management used Frontier, Allegiant and Sun Country as our peers. Anyone with a brain realizes the end numbers will be somewhere in the middle.

Can’t speak for NK but the f9 top captain rate of $240 an hr was pretty close to UAL top rate at the time of the initial proposal. 3ish years before ratification. Your not asking for UAL plus 20% at that point in time even though you realize their more than likely going to raise it. You have to do a me too if anything. Now we did bump the ask to basically jb rates a month or two after your TA. The problem for us at that point was the company came back and agreed to the $240 with a substantial bonus for the delay and there was zero chance of getting released. Your narrative is lacking a ton of context and timeline.

lol I always thought the word “employee” was sufficient


this country and it’s euphemisms.

A traffic circle device=roundabout

preheat= Heat

Face Coverings= Mask

A medical center=Hospital

What do you mean by ‘this’ country…sounds an awful lot like ‘these’ people…

Triggered- You

Let me guess, cultural appropriation is your hobby? You better bet I’m triggered like a person south side ORD in summer on an early Sunday morning.