Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 3480276)

There will be a ton of FLL/MCO crews. I do agree with BD though and think they will avoid displacements and instead run a lot of trips originating in FLL/MCO through other bases. I would expect the seniority progression to become very stagnant in FLL/MCO once the companies combine.

NK
53 ACY CA
43 ACY FO
203 DFW CA
166 DFW FO
189 DTW CA
161 DTW FO
425 FLL CA
341 FLL FO
220 LAS CA
168 LAS FO
250 MCO CA
224 MCO FO
217 ORD CA
153 ORD FO
252 Undesignated FO

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Originally Posted by doubles (Post 3480624)

With DTW, ORD and DFW listed (on these boards) as shrinking… what’s growing?

Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 3480276)

There will be a ton of FLL/MCO crews. I do agree with BD though and think they will avoid displacements and instead run a lot of trips originating in FLL/MCO through other bases. I would expect the seniority progression to become very stagnant in FLL/MCO once the companies combine.

NK
53 ACY CA
43 ACY FO
203 DFW CA
166 DFW FO
189 DTW CA
161 DTW FO
425 FLL CA
341 FLL FO
220 LAS CA
168 LAS FO
250 MCO CA
224 MCO FO
217 ORD CA
153 ORD FO
252 Undesignated FO

JB
88 BOS 220 CA
112 BOS 220 FO
374 BOS 320 CA
388 BOS 320 FO
232 BOS 190 CA
249 BOS 190 FO
41 EWR 320 CA
44 EWR 320 FO
330 FLL 320 CA
327 FLL 320 FO
680 JFK 320 CA
724 JFK 320 FO
120 JFK 190 CA
141 JFK 190 FO
155 LAX 320 CA
159 LAX 320 FO
97 MCO 320 CA
122 MCO 320 FO
64 MCO 190 CA
74 MCO 190 FO

Originally Posted by fumeevented (Post 3480873)

looking at those ca/fo ratios at NK I just realized how absolutely screwed us junior FO's are for upgrade

Originally Posted by Cockpit997 (Post 3481097)

I spoke with someone that said NK has 1000 pilots in FLL. Turns out, it’s nearly the same as JB. Everyone take a breath. It’ll be ok.

Originally Posted by elmetal (Post 3481249)

and 800 of those 1000 at JB are senior to all spirit florida pilots.

Originally Posted by elmetal (Post 3481249)

and 800 of those 1000 at JB are senior to all spirit florida pilots.

Originally Posted by elmetal (Post 3481249)

and 800 of those 1000 at JB are senior to all spirit florida pilots.

Originally Posted by elmetal (Post 3481249)

and 800 of those 1000 at JB are senior to all spirit florida pilots.

Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3481286)

And if the ISL was to be straight DOH, I would agree thats an issue. Until you have a SLI, you cant assume bidding percentage by a base.

The only thing thats pretty much universally known is this will be a longevity/Relative mix based on the recent history of integrations like this. With that you will see guys from the more senior side lose longevity and guys from the more junior group lose relative seniority. Because of this, I would not assume a 2009 JBLU pilot would be higher on the MCO bid list than a 2010 Spirit pilot. The JBLu guy will be upset he is now junior to a Spirit guy with less longevity and that NK pilot will say "Well I was bidding 15% in MCO, now im bidding 25%, I got screwed too". And thats how SLIs work out.

Originally Posted by FahQ2 (Post 3479519)

I’m not sure you realize just how many pilots NK has in those two bases, and how many more there would be if the reduction bid had gone through.

Still waiting on my morning coffee to brew but pretty sure you were the guy railing on about how saturated the NK market to Florida is when you were on here beating your Blue drum prior to the F9 decision, and that we have squeezed all the business we could out of it.

Now you are putting money that after eliminating domestic and international overlap on routes that don’t need the double frequencies, and B6 canning all the NK routes of unsophisticated Florida bound people you claim won’t make money…. That B6 will suddenly discover troves of discerning and affluent new replacement routes because, I dunno JetBlue effect, and FLL and MCO will grow exponentially (compared to your current staffing)?

Could happen, but you might want to hold on to your money

Originally Posted by Runaround (Post 3481419)

Any word on the planned size of the Houston base? I'll be starting at NK soon and live in Houston, so I'd love to be based there. Any tea leaf readers have any guesses as to how long it will take a new hire to hold IAH? Thanks!

Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 3481426)

No one has any clue, but ATL went pretty senior and is slow to grow. If they take the same strategy with IAH, it might take a while to get based there.

Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 3481426)

No one has any clue, but ATL went pretty senior and is slow to grow. If they take the same strategy with IAH, it might take a while to get based there.

Originally Posted by Runaround (Post 3481419)

Any word on the planned size of the Houston base? I'll be starting at NK soon and live in Houston, so I'd love to be based there. Any tea leaf readers have any guesses as to how long it will take a new hire to hold IAH? Thanks!

Originally Posted by Cockpit997 (Post 3481306)

I guess more interesting to me is that 1000 was really 750.

Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 3481426)

No one has any clue, but ATL went pretty senior and is slow to grow. If they take the same strategy with IAH, it might take a while to get based there.