Better options and a better business model? To who?

B6 has multiple fleet types and bid categories, that creates fleet stratification and faster upgrades.

 

I for one can’t wait to work for a CEO who thinks he has a “surplus” of pilots.

 

Indigo would never pull orders from Frontier and give them to another portfolio airline they control.

 

Go look at the B6 discussion about upgrade times. I think you'll find the reality quite different that what you state. If you think stagnation is bad now, a B6 merger will make it look like child's play.

 

does F9 have that much more growth? All those orders are indigos not frontiers. Jet blue has plenty of orders and so do we.

 

The current plan. This doesn’t include the orders for the other airlines.

Edit to add….We currently have 1750ish pilots. We need 1860ish to remain fully staffed by year end. Classes are around 50+ a month with a loss of 30ish a month due to attrition. So when BB said we are fully staffed he wasn’t lying…for now.

 

B6 is getting rid of the 190s. Those pilots will have to go somewhere. What do you think will happen to upgrade times once the 190s are phased out? 😬😬

 

I heard a wild rumor they already have A220's to replace them and even ordered a bunch more to replace the rest of the 190's...

 

Not sure how you came to this conclusion. JetBlue has aircraft on order, and I see no reason why they wouldn't take our current orders and add to the stack. They won't be buying us to stay locked in the north east. They are buying us to become a better version of Southwest.

 

The theme from some F9 fellows and a few NK, since this all started, has always been "have fun commuting to the NE" and "B6 will be stagnated, no progression if there should be a B6NK, go look at their thread" and other BS, as if they are convincing TIG and Vanguard lol

But to address those 2 quotes above.

1. B6 will not buy NK just to suck everything in the NE lol lol as much as they (F9) want y'all to believe that. In a pocket session, while covid was sucking everyones life out, it was evident mgmt realized being big in just the N.E really messed us up more than others. They want to have those bases where NK is right now. To think that B6 would get NK then force everyone to NY/BOS/EWR and close majority (if not all) bases is a very stupid idea. This is just an idea some of those on here cook up to make y'all feel like F9 deal is better for the pilots. It's an unrealistic idea, especially when its already so congested in the NE already plus the slot constraints in NY. Can't add more flights to JFK if ya don't have the slots (even with the NEA).

2. Ok the "no progression"
So they are judging today's B6 standalone (we do have progression) and assuming it will be the same when B6 gets NK. What?
The combined company will have more bases (see point 1 above) and a lot more aircrafts on order and there will be no progression? I can see that bullsheit argument from 35000ft.

More bases and more aircraft orders increases progression, not stop it. Folks can spread out easier in different bases and different status in those bases.

Look, I get it. Everyone has their own personal reason why they want it to go one way or the other. That's ok. But stop creating these crazy far fetch scenarios to justify your stance. All of a sudden, we care what's good for the people and we love Synergies and better business model lol stop all that nonsense. We wanna get paid, we control nothing else.

Nothing but the best for all of us, whichever way it goes. I'm B6 so I am biased but I'm not gonna make up some wild ass far fetched reason for liking the idea of the combination. For me, bigger company with more bases help with seniority in each base, which is good for pilots. And that's what I care about, my fellow pilots and QOL. The company can worry about running the business.