Oct 10th class
 

Did anyone else here get the Oct 10th class start date?

Enjoy your 3 months at spirit.

Know your flows
limitations

and why United when you are typed

What’s the best resource for learning limitations? Quizlet? Just read it from the manual?

Its just rote memorization. You should know what works best for you at this point.

yup agree. Figure it out or you will be washed out. Welcome to the family

Quizlet works pretty well

djayslyvia on quizlet has a great set. Limitations, memory items, proficiency items, fault lights, acronyms, and CSI's as they apply to the systems questions in the master question file.

Heads up, as of 8/29 there are some limitation changes coming - reference the primary documents to be sure the quizlets and supercard are still correct.

Yup. Changing up shiZ again

Once you are hired update your United app because you will be moved up in priority to be hired.

FTFY

fluffy filler....

+1 on memorizing the stuff they tell you to before you arrive on property. The folks that didn't take it seriously stand out immediately and have a much more difficult go of CPT in week 2. You don't want to be the person studying 6 extra hours every night trying to catch up and then being exhausted in training. Being ready reduces the flow of the proverbial fire hose.

If you have the flows and limitations memorized on day 1 life will be relatively easy for most of the training.

Definitely study and be ready. Don’t want to have a failure on your record prior to your AA, Delta or United interview.

Looking through the quizlets, it seems that most of the limitations are only the bold ones from the COM. I realize these are special emphasis, but is that all we’re expected to know limitations wise when we show up? I was going much deeper into it but after seeing the suggested quizlets, I’m not sure if I should be…

Just the bolded limits.

Geez. Not difficult. Thanks.

Hey! I have the oct 10th class as well. Looking for advice, I’m currently a new FO at SkyWest with around1600 hrs living and based in ORD. Would you recommend taking the spirit offer vs staying at SkyWest? My ultimate goal is mainline. I wish money wasn’t a factor but a big part of my paycheck goes to my student loan.

How bad are your loans if career Spirit pay (year 2 onwards) can’t cut it and you require a mainline job to pay them off?

If that’s not what you meant, and you just need money RIGHT NOW, regionals do pay better than your first 2 or 3 years at Spirit (and 1st year mainline for that matter).

What is mainline?

It will take 2-3 years to recover what you will lose going to Spirit. You'll likely get hired at a major in that timeframe, so I would just stay.

Can you expand on that? What does one have to lose going to spirit? Last I checked sky west starting pay was the same as spirit (pending the new skywest offer) and year two it double where as skywest is a $5 raise. Not to mention regionals are still parking planes and fos aren’t flying at many of the regionals due to saturation of the fo market and lack of senior pilots to fill crews.

Does spirit have that problem?

Spirit’s training pay puts a huge dent in that first year pay calculation (1700 pre tax). And I think SkyWest included something about a pay bump if you have 750hrs 121 time and want to upgrade or something; and all the new Captain rates offered at regionals are better than Spirit FO at any longevity.

Spirit is obviously a good choice since a person would get an Airbus type rating and a job at an airline they could make into a career should they choose. However, if money in the short term is the primaryconcern, this might not be the place to do it for the above mentioned reasons.

So after a hundred hours of flying jets for 121 you have a class slot at an airline that is going to merge into the fifth largest carrier, but your concern is it may not be worth it what with all the retention bonuses the regionals are throwing at the latest crop of AllATP zero to hero grads. While it may be fun to fly a bus, your inevitable march towards “mainline” could be hampered so you want me to convince you if it’s worthwhile to slum it out here for a couple years.

What a time to be alive!

Yes, we are parking planes and cutting our schedule because we can't staff. You get $1700/mo your first 3 months here, with no medical coverage. Year 2 captain at Skywest makes around the same as a year 2 FO here, and so on. The guy asking the question is in a financial crunch and has no long term aspirations to stay here, so he shouldn't come here. He should upgrade, get his PIC, and go to a major.

Psst… you are working for a major…


And which planes have we parked?

This is a ULCC.

From a union fastread:

Schedule reductions, parking A319s, and temporarily hiring foreign pilots by misusing the E-3 visa program are certainly not permanent solutions or any way to run a successful and profitable business long term.

Major airline is more than $1 billion in annual revenue, doesn’t matter if you do that with ultra low cost fares or all lie flat luxury seats.

And stating that those aren’t permanent solutions and the company actually parking planes are not the same thing.

So no 319s are parked?

I mean, I just flew a 319, so that’s one that isn’t

Is there a good MCDU/FMS simulator that someone recommends or should I just wait for formal training?

Will I get much from it without a release or other data?

Don’t worry about studying the MCDU.Study flows and once those are memorized, then study limitations, memory items, and proficiency items.

Roger that. Thanks.

You could get Microsoft flight sim. Idk if the 320 with the programmable FMC is an add-on or not, but it’s worth looking into if you want

You do realize though fos are only averaging around 300hrs a year their first year. To even be eligible you’d need 1000 hrs which you likely won’t get till year 3 maybe 4 with current situation. Also skywest has like a 4 or 5 month ioe wait time atm. Can’t just look at pay scale and assume that’s really achievable. It’s not the whole picture. Can’t say for sure what the picture is at every regional but skywest and rpa are both in the same situation where new hire fos just aren’t flying that much and barely doing 8 hrs a month. As a senior fo holding a line sure maybe but lack of crew means less line and it’s going to take months maybe even more than a year to hold a line to even make progress to build the time.

No. Don't do this. You'll get training software on the ipad to practice. It's a cakewalk.

Appreciate that…

Nevermind, disregard lol

Some men…you just cain’t reach…

Go to Spirit. Chances are in two years it will be a “mainline.”

They may not be the best paid today but as Mesa has just shown past performance does not guarantee future performance. Refinance the loans, take out more if needed to eat, and live cheap…or all three. This is a short term pain for long term gain problem. Most of us did it. I slept on an air mattress sharing a room with 3 others for 2 years. You too will succeed.