So tell us, wise one, what airline holds these sunshines and smiles, that holds this golden goose?

If I had to guess, it would be the ones that retain nearly everyone they hire. Just a guess though...

Except he isn’t. I’m fairly certain he’s DFW based. There are 12 - yes TWELVE FOs being displaced. It’s nothing in the realm of ORD or DTW.

Personally that’s a F’n joke to even F with such a meaningless minuscule number of FOs like that. I realize the CA is bigger, but messing with 12 guys? F that.

It’s painfully obvious this displacement won’t do jack $hit with recovering the operation. Our idiotic project greenfield has made it clear this solves zero issues hence why my entire last day (4 days after Ian in an entirely different part of the country) was axed and we were the only airline canceling 20%+ days after.

Sadly it’s clear Ted and Bendo are way too butt hurt about Frontier and will continue to be total clowns until this BS is over with and they can run to Denver.

He was saying how great his seniority is and how he can hold Captain at bases including ORD and DTW. Which is worthless since pilots senior to him will be displaced from those bases in a few months. So yeah, saying he can “hold” CA in ORD and DTW is not the full story.

Ahh. I gotcha. Yeah. It’s really really stupid they are upgrading people into bases they won’t hold in a couple months. 🙄

Contractually they have to, and I’m glad they are having to because they have to pay to displace those pilots. Anyone upgrading into those bases knows they will be displaced, but now they can get a free move or the $2500 (I believe) for the displacement. Company should have to pay every penny required for this displacement. A displacement 100% because management can’t manage to run an airline at full utilization because of staffing.

Seriously, read the CBA. You may learn something. Oh, and make an educated vote when the time comes for a new one.

Yes I am aware. I’m based in ORD. I see the constant junior CA upgrades coming in below me. Most coming in aren’t based anywhere near ORD and are commuting for essentially no reason for 2-3 months when they get canned to FL. THAT ASPECT is stupid. Again I’m aware of the CBA. Thanks for your concern.

As Cinco said it’s gonna cost em which is good - so there is that. And as the union stated, none of this realignment is going to help make CS answer phones r the company in whole do anything better lol. I commute and very well would expect my voluntary displacement (to help a local junior folk) to happen for $2500.

What's REALLY funny is, if they had just started growing the bases they needed LAST YEAR when they cancelled the original displacement, we'd be pretty darn close to having those bases staffed. Without a displacement. Life's about to get really crappy for a bunch of pilots being displaced away from their homes. Great way to retain pilots.

The payout for being displaced is a complete joke. This is not a win for the pilots.

Who said this is a win for the pilots? Hmm? Nobody, exactly.

I said the union is holding the company to the CBA and making them backfill vacancies in which will end up costing the company more money for their ridiculous displacement game. No free rides for management

Exactly! Not sure how this is so hard to understand, we have some of the same characters on the Blue board.

Overall I like it. I could have held upgrade on the bid that closed October 30 if I wanted it. At least a dozen people junior to me got it. I personally don't feel like commuting to reserve.

I mean, I think NK management is literally trying to staff every base they can. Isn't that the entire point of the reduction bid? To force pilots into bases that they want to grow? At the end of the day, attrition is so absurd they have to.

It still blows my mind why management waited so long to give pilots more money, in an attempt to at least stem some of the attrition. They really didn't even try. Even according to the union, it'll be until Feb or March till we see a new pay rate. Blows my mind how losing 30 mil in Q3 is better than giving pilots an even remotely decent pay raise when we can't even put aircraft utilization even close to where it needs to be.

Unless they are actually TRYING to screw up the JB merger so they can go back to their old sweetheart deals with F9?

Yeah, no. This is standard 100% Spirit management from way before any merger with anyone.

Ted gets $15m with JBlu vs $12m with F9 and maybe a shot at CEO if he can fellate Franke better than Biffle. They aren't trying to sink anything, they are just incompetent.

Exactly. They’re getting more money w JetBlue. Set for life money honestly. Cash the check and walk away.

The stalling is their nature. They don’t know any different. The fastest I’ve ever seen them move was the covid deals. I think they honestly had no idea what could happen and SWA signed a CovID deal right before us. If they hadnt I don’t think we would’ve gotten ours.

If they aren’t moving quick now the losses don’t concern them so they don’t concern me.

Will do. So far, it’s been the smartest move I’ve made and I regret not doing it sooner. No hate for my yellow bus driving brothers and sisters but if you wanna show your ass, lets talk real sh&t.

I thought the same thing. However, I don't think it'll work. NK has way too many airplanes coming, particularly 14 in Q4 alone, and over $1Bill in the bank, to even attempt to push JB away. Losing $30 Mil per Quarter is Venezuelan dollars in a bucket.

A struggling Spirit is more likely to help the merger pass DOJ muster. 4D chess or incompetence? I don't know.